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i know

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unequivocally that there's something

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very big that's imminent

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and i know that for a fact

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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sprague

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welcome everyone to another episode of

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somewhere in the skies i am your host

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ryan sprague

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and today we are going to be talking

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about the

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number one documentary in the world

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right now

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and that is the phenomenon and we're

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going to be talking to the creator and

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director of the phenomenon

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you know him in the ufo world you know

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him all around television

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and everything in between and that is

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james fox

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james thank you so much for joining me

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today brother well it's about time we

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got to do this huh

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i know i feel like i'm the last person

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on the planet to interview you but hey

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your season now we can we can really let

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you know

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let loose and you could tell me some

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stuff that you haven't told anyone else

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how's that

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hopefully i don't sound like i'm on

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autopilot no i'll give you i'm

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definitely here to give you good new

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you know fresh information on because

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there's so much to talk about

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i could go on for a week i know man

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i know and that's that's one of my

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after having spoken to you at length

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while the process of this filming was

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so much wasn't in the film um for the

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so we'll get to that but um before we

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i gotta ask you how does it feel to

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finally have this done we have been

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just as long as you have but probably

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even longer for a film like this

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to come around in this medium so yeah

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does it feel man to finally have it out

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that's a good question and i i thought

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that i would feel

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happier about it and i don't get me

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wrong i'm very happy with with the with

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the film the end result of the film

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but the the uh the level of of trauma

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uh that i experienced in getting this

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film out and remember

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it was incredibly challenging just

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challenging producing a documentary

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especially a documentary on ufos

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then you're talking about a documentary

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that deals with you know alleged close

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encounters of the third kind so i had

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all the worries of associations with

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very high level government and military

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officials that i was terribly concerned

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were going to pull out

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the carpet out from under me once they

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realize they're connected to a film that

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alleged telepathic communication with

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with the students so i had all that in

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the whole time like i have to get

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approval these guys have to sign

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so that was all of course out of mud all

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and then corona hit as soon as the

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contacts at the ink drive of the

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for the film to be distributed uh in

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like 1500 years across america which has

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so i didn't get that that roll out that

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red carpet roll out and and sit

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an audience of people and you get that

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sense of of completion you know and i

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you know i really love your movie well

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hey i'd love to hear about it tell me

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what's your favorite part

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like i never got that you know i mean i

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never sat in a room you got to see

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of this all this hard work i felt you

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deprived of a lot of stuff during these

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complaining but but i never got that

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full satisfied moment of looking around

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of an audience of viewers and and and

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so uh how do i feel i i'm really happy

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and um i haven't quite stoked it up yet

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probably the most tumultuous time

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massive screening in africa um you know

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planning on doing something like that

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most probably yes awesome

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awesome well let's dive into the film

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i want to get to what i kind of

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this much of a glimpse into the the work

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the most visible uh ufo program with

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the government within the u.s air force

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officer for project blue book and he had

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that he had never done a proper

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william coleman had one of the most

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colonel coleman in my opinion uh had one

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of the most dramatic ufo encounters

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little bit of it or not

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lockheed martin and boeing and uh they

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at maximum continuous power at treetop

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if i went any faster the engines would

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and they're all looking at this thing in

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trees and so he had to pull up and he

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proximity of like we thought we were

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looking at it going there's no exhaust

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vents there's no wings there's no

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tail there's house thing flying

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you know and and um it was

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truly spectacular to hear it from the

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horse's mouth and then on top of that

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to hear him describe that once the air

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as public spokesman for project blue

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the air force for investigating ufos

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what's the first thing he did he went to

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find his report because when they landed

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um notes or they filled out forms and

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one of the things that the project blue

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which he shared with us was that all

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identical everyone's description of the

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i'm wrong this was

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one of the times in the film that you

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and we went

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we're getting a b25 and we're gonna do a

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recreation because this is the most

288
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incredible encounter i've ever heard and

289
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i want this to be the start of the whole

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movie i want it to be sort of the cold

291
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open the james bond

292
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signing um and uh

293
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when we found a couple of b25 bombers

294
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from world war ii era i think i either

295
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called the guy i'm pretty sure i called

296
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him because

297
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lee spiegel had organized you know

298
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putting me in touch with these people as

299
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well as dave west

300
00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:07,760
um and i said hey guys if you guys can't

301
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fly i just want to get something out of

302
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the way right off the bat here if you

303
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can't fly at treats

304
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maximum speed then you gotta go

305
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somewhere else

306
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and this goes yeah i think we could do

307
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oh man that's when you gotta hire the

308
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stunt people right

309
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it was crazy i was sitting in the the

310
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the nose cone

311
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i had to crawl through the cylinder this

312
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long like polished cylinder like squeak

313
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my way through here

314
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and then i just ended up in this little

315
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glass bubble

316
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with a gun with like where the gunner

317
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would sit and just

318
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glass between me and certain death

319
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and uh whatever really weird feeling you

320
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know it was really

321
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exciting and scary and all the rest of

322
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it but what a cool like

323
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you know i don't hear people mention

324
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that section of the film as often as i

325
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was expecting

326
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but that's a that was a really really

327
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amazing encounter and

328
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i thought i felt that it was a pretty

329
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good within you know

330
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budgetary expectations uh recreation

331
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absolutely yeah it brought so much to

332
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the film and um

333
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i guess while we're on the subject of

334
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project blue book which is

335
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a big part of i guess um i as a

336
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playwright i would say the first act

337
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of the the play we'll get to the second

338
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act but maybe the first act of a film

339
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um let's talk about robert friend i mean

340
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probably the most likable person to ever

341
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have worked with the us

342
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air force i mean the smile on this guy

343
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is so endearing

344
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um and you got to interview him and you

345
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were probably one of the

346
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last people to ever do that because he

347
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unfortunately passed away not too long

348
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after uh

349
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you had interviewed him and um he is

350
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probably

351
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the the one person who worked for blue

352
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book other than probably rupell to

353
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really really try to get to the truth

354
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instead of having the air force tell

355
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them what to tell the public

356
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with this project blue book so um what

357
00:12:08,870 --> 00:12:06,800
was like interviewing robert

358
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and um yeah any interesting stories to

359
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tell about that experience

360
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definitely so i'll start off with

361
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jacques valles

362
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and it was such a privilege and an honor

363
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to work with jacques

364
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and uh jacques helped us assemble the

365
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pieces of the of the puzzle together

366
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historically

367
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in a way that according to historians

368
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has never been done before

369
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jacques lived a lot of that so he knew

370
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and um and jock

371
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ironic his favorite scene in the whole

372
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movie

373
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and he loves a lot of it he loves he

374
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loves all but his favorite see the whole

375
00:12:45,829 --> 00:12:41,120
movie

376
00:12:50,829 --> 00:12:45,839
is the smile from robert friend

377
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when i think he says uh you know

378
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we know what they were

379
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or something i said oh so you guys

380
00:12:58,069 --> 00:12:56,160
closed it because you didn't know what

381
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they were and he looks at me and he goes

382
00:13:01,590 --> 00:13:00,639
or we closed project bluebird because we

383
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did know

384
00:13:04,829 --> 00:13:03,600
and he gives this sort of smile and it's

385
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like this little

386
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thing that was awesome

387
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really powerful see really really

388
00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:15,760
so just that look at this i said so much

389
00:13:19,190 --> 00:13:18,079
and jacques just he was like that's my

390
00:13:20,470 --> 00:13:19,200
favorite part of the movie

391
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i mean he loves the children at the end

392
00:13:23,190 --> 00:13:22,800
too but that that part in particular

393
00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:23,200
there

394
00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:24,959
are a handful of people that that do

395
00:13:28,230 --> 00:13:27,120
comment on that again not as many as i

396
00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:28,240
expected but

397
00:13:32,790 --> 00:13:30,320
but yeah that's a beautiful telling

398
00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:32,800
moment in the film

399
00:13:36,790 --> 00:13:34,480
absolutely and i think that's what

400
00:13:38,069 --> 00:13:36,800
really really showed through in the film

401
00:13:41,030 --> 00:13:38,079
james is uh

402
00:13:42,389 --> 00:13:41,040
this isn't surface level um you know i

403
00:13:45,269 --> 00:13:42,399
worked for blue book yeah we

404
00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:45,279
investigated ufos he tried to get to the

405
00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:47,360
the heart of these people who were

406
00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:49,120
dramatically affected by the work they

407
00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:49,680
did

408
00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:51,680
like whether they believed anything was

409
00:13:55,590 --> 00:13:53,600
of extraterrestrial origin or not

410
00:13:57,189 --> 00:13:55,600
or multi-dimensional whatever they think

411
00:14:00,870 --> 00:13:57,199
the source of ufos are

412
00:14:03,430 --> 00:14:00,880
or aren't uh it affects them and i mean

413
00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:03,440
that couldn't be more true than probably

414
00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:04,240
uh

415
00:14:07,750 --> 00:14:06,160
my favorite part of the film and that

416
00:14:10,470 --> 00:14:07,760
was the socorro case

417
00:14:12,790 --> 00:14:10,480
i know this is one of those cases that

418
00:14:13,509 --> 00:14:12,800
you've chased for so long a lot of us

419
00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:13,519
have

420
00:14:17,590 --> 00:14:16,320
and man did you get some part of this

421
00:14:21,189 --> 00:14:17,600
one you spoke to

422
00:14:21,670 --> 00:14:21,199
his wife uh lani zamora so i guess for

423
00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:21,680
maybe

424
00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:23,920
some of our listeners who aren't aware

425
00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:25,440
of the case could you maybe just give us

426
00:14:32,470 --> 00:14:25,839
the

427
00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:32,480
archives

428
00:14:36,069 --> 00:14:34,240
these letters yeah please please

429
00:14:36,389 --> 00:14:36,079
enlighten us on this entire event this

430
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:36,399
is

431
00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:43,199
happened in 1964 april 24th that

432
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:47,120
roughly 5 p.m in socorro new mexico

433
00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:49,760
which is about 44 miles away from

434
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:50,720
trinity site

435
00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:52,160
where they detonated the first atomic

436
00:14:56,949 --> 00:14:54,800
bomb in 1945.

437
00:14:58,150 --> 00:14:56,959
so you've got a police officer lonnie

438
00:15:01,350 --> 00:14:58,160
zamora

439
00:15:01,829 --> 00:15:01,360
who witnesses a strange object in the

440
00:15:03,269 --> 00:15:01,839
sky

441
00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:03,279
sort of a flash that catches his eye

442
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:05,040
when he's in hot pursuit of a of a

443
00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:06,480
speeding vehicle

444
00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:09,839
uh it's a friday he

445
00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:11,920
discontinues his pursuit of the speeding

446
00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:13,040
vehicle and goes to

447
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:16,000
to investigate what this potential light

448
00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:17,760
explosion or whatever it was

449
00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:18,959
he thought there was a duck there was a

450
00:15:20,949 --> 00:15:20,399
dynamite shack up in the hill i thought

451
00:15:22,389 --> 00:15:20,959
but maybe

452
00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:22,399
the dynamite shacks got off he didn't

453
00:15:27,990 --> 00:15:24,240
know and he

454
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:28,000
came across an object in an arroyo

455
00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:31,199
that he initially was like is that a

456
00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:34,000
car is that a roll off the down into the

457
00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:34,639
ravine

458
00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:36,959
and like are those two children like

459
00:15:39,910 --> 00:15:37,920
what what am i

460
00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:39,920
looking at you slowly come to the

461
00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:41,680
relationship looking at something

462
00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:45,440
other worldly um it's an egg crap

463
00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:49,040
and there were two beans

464
00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:52,959
small diminutive figures in white suits

465
00:15:57,749 --> 00:15:54,560
standing and sort of walking around the

466
00:16:01,990 --> 00:15:57,759
bottom of this egg-shaped craft

467
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:02,000
um he got eye contact with one of them

468
00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:03,680
he was still sitting in his car and he

469
00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:05,040
was a couple hundred yards away

470
00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:06,320
and he was leaning out the window with

471
00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:07,920
the car stopped and he's looking at him

472
00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:08,480
and and

473
00:16:11,990 --> 00:16:11,440
one of them look i sat down with his

474
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:12,000
wife

475
00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:14,160
and she had an article that no one has

476
00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:15,759
ever seen that says he was actually

477
00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:17,600
calling out to see if they were okay

478
00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:18,880
and that one of them turned and looked

479
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:20,639
him in the eye but that's that we don't

480
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:22,000
know that for sure but we do know

481
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:23,519
for sure is that one of the beings

482
00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:25,920
turned and looked him right in the eye

483
00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:28,000
lonnie then drove his car a little

484
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:29,839
further around this little bend to get a

485
00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,800
closer look

486
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:33,120
and he got within 50 feet of the landed

487
00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:33,839
ufo

488
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:36,320
and as his car pulled up he heard a big

489
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:37,440
thump sound

490
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:40,560
he said it reminded him of a tank hatch

491
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:42,000
closing because he was in the he was in

492
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:44,000
the military and

493
00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:45,920
he didn't see the beans anymore and then

494
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,240
he took two or three strides

495
00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:50,480
out of the car towards this object put

496
00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:53,120
it in roughly 35 feet away

497
00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:56,720
35 40 feet away and uh it suddenly made

498
00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:58,560
a loud noise

499
00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:01,680
and a blue flame and this is very

500
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,639
important

501
00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:04,799
this blue flame came out the bottom of

502
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:06,160
this egg

503
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,919
and it went in the ground like a knife

504
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:09,520
through warm butter it didn't stir up

505
00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:11,039
the dust and rocks

506
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:13,120
like a propulsion you know conventional

507
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:14,799
propulsion rocket would do

508
00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:17,039
it went into the ground like without

509
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:18,319
disturbing the ground

510
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:20,400
a blue flame and the object lifted up

511
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:21,919
making a loud noise till it got to about

512
00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:23,360
20 feet off the ground

513
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:26,079
at which point it went completely silent

514
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:27,839
and the blue flame was gone

515
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:30,080
and then it just sat there motionless

516
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:31,679
you know he said you could hear a pin

517
00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:32,640
drop

518
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:35,120
um it had a symbol on the side of it

519
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:36,960
which i could i'll get into detail on

520
00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:37,919
that in a second

521
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:39,760
and then it flew off to i think it was

522
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:41,919
the southwest over a place called um

523
00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:45,120
magdalena in any case

524
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:47,760
first police officer get on the scene

525
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:49,120
there the the the

526
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:51,760
prince in the ground from the landing

527
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:52,559
gear

528
00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:54,400
there were prince from the footprints of

529
00:17:57,750 --> 00:17:56,480
the two beings exactly where lonnie had

530
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:57,760
said he'd seen them

531
00:18:01,190 --> 00:18:00,640
uh corresponding to that there was burn

532
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:01,200
marks

533
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:03,600
and the plants were still smoldering

534
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:05,039
from from the propulsion

535
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:07,520
whatever this thing was and uh there

536
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:09,039
were military officers on the scene

537
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:11,200
within an hour richard t holder

538
00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:12,880
they documented the entire landing site

539
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:14,480
they roped the area off

540
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:17,600
and it's the it's considered

541
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:20,799
the most credible well-documented

542
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:23,600
close encounter of the third kind in in

543
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:24,480
us history

544
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:26,320
and and the uh police officer lorna

545
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:28,720
zamora um

546
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:30,960
uh everybody believed him i mean he was

547
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:32,720
one of the most he was rock solid

548
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:35,440
witness but but let me i investigated

549
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:36,000
the case

550
00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:38,240
really really thoroughly really

551
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,480
thoroughly over about a five year period

552
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,559
i went and got to know his and getting

553
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,559
into socorro and getting into that

554
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,160
tight-knit community was not an easy

555
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:48,559
thing to do i befriended one person who

556
00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:49,120
then

557
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:51,600
eventually introduced me to to uh lon

558
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:52,880
his wife mary

559
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:55,280
you know kind of got became friends with

560
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,640
her i eventually bought their truck

561
00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:58,640
which i have in california now

562
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,320
um became really good friend and um

563
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:04,240
his uh then she introduced me to his

564
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:05,600
co-worker that he worked out at the dump

565
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:07,520
site for years i got him on camera

566
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,799
i went to um i interviewed his daughter

567
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:12,640
diane which unfortunately that part of

568
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:14,320
the interview for whatever reason ended

569
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:15,840
up on the interim floor

570
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:19,679
um i met with his son michael um

571
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:22,960
they all confirmed to me that two things

572
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,840
one his wife said he was never the same

573
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:27,280
after that day

574
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:28,960
and his daughter said the one thing that

575
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:31,520
he confirmed unequivocally is that the

576
00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:32,400
air force

577
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:34,880
really really didn't want him to talk

578
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:35,520
about it

579
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:38,640
especially the aspect of the encounter

580
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:40,080
that involved the beans

581
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,160
because right it's one thing to be you

582
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:44,080
know unable to identify

583
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:45,919
uh you know an airborne object it's

584
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:47,760
another thing when you've got beans on

585
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:48,640
the ground

586
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:52,799
so that aspect of of of the encounter

587
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,000
uh was was really

588
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:57,840
downplayed within the air force project

589
00:20:02,149 --> 00:19:59,919
blue book files but when i

590
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:02,159
went to the national archives with the

591
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:03,760
guy who wrote the book on the case ray

592
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:04,799
stanford

593
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:07,360
uh socorro saucer in a pentagon pantry

594
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:08,640
it's the definitive book

595
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,080
on the case um i wouldn't stay with ray

596
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,840
for like five days on the east coast it

597
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:15,440
was really funny you know

598
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:18,000
and ray had like the rocks he from the

599
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,679
landing gear from the rocks breaking and

600
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,960
the landing gear scraping up against the

601
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:22,480
rocks he talked about these pieces of

602
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:22,880
metal

603
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:25,039
shavings that came i mean this whole

604
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,640
aspect of the didn't end up in the movie

605
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,919
but

606
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,600
i said ray you know we're not very far

607
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:31,120
from the national archives

608
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:34,400
uh let's go see what we can find and he

609
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:34,720
had

610
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:37,360
so much resistance he was like james

611
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,640
that's going to be an utter and complete

612
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:40,000
waste of time anything that could have

613
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:41,440
been found 50 years ago was already

614
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:42,159
found

615
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,840
and we got this kind of argument i was

616
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,200
like well that kind of

617
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:48,240
you know uh attitude where yeah nothing

618
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,280
is going to be found

619
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:51,919
i said well i'm going and he said fine

620
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,520
you go we got kind of an argument

621
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,120
and i stomped out of his house i jumped

622
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:57,039
in my rental car i started to back out

623
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,240
of the driveway

624
00:21:01,669 --> 00:21:00,720
and i see his face look out the curtains

625
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,679
from the kitchen

626
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:03,200
or from the living room and he kind of

627
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:04,640
peers out he looks at me he gives me

628
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,360
this like just

629
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:07,280
hold up just wait a minute so he comes

630
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,720
out and he goes

631
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,799
okay i'll come with you but i'm taking

632
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:12,240
my own car because after 10 or 15

633
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,720
minutes

634
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:15,200
i'll be thoroughly you know just done

635
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,159
with the whole

636
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,159
uh prospect of finding anything i said

637
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,320
fine so he jumped in his car i jumped in

638
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,799
my car and off we went

639
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:24,640
well without boring your audience to

640
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:25,840
death with the details

641
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,799
suffice to say we eventually get the

642
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,559
manager and we like look we've been on

643
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:32,000
this floor we've been on that floor we

644
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:33,679
get microfilms

645
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:36,480
this guy right here ray stanford was at

646
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,440
this landing site

647
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,840
was at this location investigated

648
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,880
personally in this case

649
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,159
and we know there's a lot of

650
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,240
documentation that's just simply not

651
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:46,000
in the microfilm files and we're not

652
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:47,360
finding it

653
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:52,549
okay i'll tell you what you guys go get

654
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,840
some lunch

655
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,120
let me see what i can do about this come

656
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,120
back in 20 minutes or half an hour what

657
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:58,960
it was so ray and i kind of looked at

658
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,440
each other

659
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:01,919
like okay this is kind of exciting so

660
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:02,720
off we go

661
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:06,400
we have we have some lunch we come back

662
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:09,679
out this man comes with a

663
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:13,039
you know a cart on wheels all these

664
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:14,640
folders

665
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:17,919
okay not

666
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:21,919
microfilms not copies all originals

667
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,000
when this cart rolled out

668
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:28,320
was a golden glow around it i mean i'm

669
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,470
and it comes out and ray and i looked at

670
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,080
each other we were like giddy as

671
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:38,320
kids on christmas morning like we

672
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,520
couldn't believe it ray looked at me and

673
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,000
i looked at him and we both were like

674
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:44,000
oh my god i can't believe this is

675
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,600
happening so we like

676
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:47,039
go back we get this whole thing we're

677
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,799
like oh oh my god

678
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,400
we're like they're like okay well you

679
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:52,080
gotta put some gloves on and you gotta

680
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:53,600
sit down and you gotta take your one

681
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,080
paper

682
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:56,000
out and put it and put it you know

683
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,520
placement holder and we're like jeez

684
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:58,640
it's going to take forever

685
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,159
got to walk that paper over to a

686
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,159
printing or make a copy and we're like

687
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,360
there's got to be a faster way well i

688
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:06,880
i had gone back and i was thinking to

689
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,280
myself well hell we got the originals

690
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,960
i'm going to go back to 1952 and see

691
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,240
what i got a project blue book so i went

692
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:13,760
back to the desk and i said

693
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,280
hey um uh we love

694
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,039
if you if you wouldn't mind terribly we

695
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,640
would love the project blue blue piles

696
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:22,000
from 1952 because i was like what the

697
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,880
hell we're going to

698
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,640
uncover from the 1952 sighting

699
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,360
statements from the pilots like come on

700
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,919
so she goes we're actually you know we

701
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:31,039
kind of made a mistake we weren't

702
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:32,480
supposed to give the originals

703
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:35,200
but um but since you have them you guys

704
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,559
can have them until we close

705
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:38,799
i said well okay well i'll take what we

706
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:40,000
can get i said well

707
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,400
um uh is there a faster way to do this

708
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:45,840
she said well you can go

709
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:48,480
get your own flatbed scanner and you can

710
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,039
bring it to

711
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,520
you know so i said ray wait here i went

712
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:53,440
off to an office depot i got myself a

713
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:53,840
big

714
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,559
glass flatbed scanner boom set that

715
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:58,080
thing up we were like a well-lubed

716
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,520
machine they were going through there

717
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,760
oh look over and we've been there for

718
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,600
like five hours right we're gonna go

719
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,559
there until the

720
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,799
until the sun was down until they were

721
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,320
locking us out

722
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,720
i look over at ray and ray is holding

723
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:12,559
this document he's sitting right next to

724
00:24:15,149 --> 00:24:13,760
me he's holding this document he's got a

725
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:15,159
tear in his eye and he goes

726
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:18,960
i found it i found it

727
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:21,919
i said what red what he goes oh my god

728
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:24,640
it's in dr heineck's own handwriting

729
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,320
he goes the symbol has been a point of

730
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,480
contention for all these decades

731
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,799
for 50 years he's been telling me people

732
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,000
have been telling him he's full of doggy

733
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:35,440
doo-doo

734
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,600
what happened was the initial symbol

735
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:42,240
that was seen on the side of the craft

736
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:43,520
that was rather large

737
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,240
in red and remember lonnie came within

738
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,080
35 to 40 feet from this object

739
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,840
that was sitting on the ground okay he

740
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,159
saw this thing really well

741
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,760
well when the first military officer got

742
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,520
on the scene richard t holder

743
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,320
he was like look we we got to change we

744
00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:00,080
got to obfuscate we gotta change the

745
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,600
symbol and say it's something else so we

746
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,679
can immediately identify any hoaxers

747
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,039
that are saying hey we saw the same

748
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:06,720
thing they would know immediately it was

749
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,360
a hoax

750
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:10,080
so they went from the symbol the real

751
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,760
symbol

752
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:13,440
was an inverted v i don't know why they

753
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,640
don't just say an a but there's an

754
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,679
inverted v

755
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:18,159
okay like this with a line here a line

756
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:19,840
here and one line at the top that was

757
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,640
the original

758
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,320
so it's like this with lines two lines

759
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,200
here and then one across the top right

760
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,120
so and rey's been saying this for

761
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,799
decades for 50

762
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,799
years he's been saying this and no one's

763
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:32,080
really believed in him because all this

764
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,279
controversy is willing

765
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,360
even kevin randle wrote his book and

766
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:36,880
didn't put the real symbol in

767
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,039
and i had a kind of an issue about that

768
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,880
but in any case

769
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,960
we found it and not only did we find it

770
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,640
we found it in dr heineck's own

771
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:46,559
handwriting and he didn't like describe

772
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:47,200
the symbol

773
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,799
he actually drew it so um

774
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,120
yeah i know it was a huge find like a

775
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:55,039
huge big deal and that document didn't

776
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:56,400
even end up in the movie can you believe

777
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,440
that

778
00:26:01,190 --> 00:26:00,480
i know i it's it's unbelievable i know i

779
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:01,200
know

780
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,880
i'm telling you

781
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:07,440
we had a screening of the film multiple

782
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,559
times and the last

783
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,039
screening i had of the movie i had i

784
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,720
spent a month in china

785
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,960
i went to south america investigating

786
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,760
the virginia

787
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,080
landing crash case from 1996 which is

788
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,200
largely considered the roswell of brazil

789
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,840
i i couldn't get it all into one movie i

790
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,360
just simply couldn't do it

791
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,440
and so we had a last screening of about

792
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,679
200 maybe 170 to 200 people

793
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,520
in a theater when we had a rough cut

794
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:33,120
with my voice peter coyote hadn't

795
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,559
laid his tracks yet and

796
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:38,320
i can tell i'm the director man like i

797
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:39,520
look around i know when people are

798
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,400
losing interest

799
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:42,240
and after the two-hour mark people were

800
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,440
kind of like

801
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,360
looking at their watches and adjusting

802
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,640
their seats some people going to the

803
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:47,840
bathroom i was like

804
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:51,120
ah yeah i got to cut this i got to cut

805
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,240
this stuff down and so

806
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:54,240
i was we were brutal about it and there

807
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,760
were times excuse me in the edit room

808
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,120
i'm not kidding you one time in

809
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,279
particular i had a whole block

810
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,440
of stuff in the timeline if you know add

811
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,360
an editor and software works you've got

812
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:06,720
a timeline you've got your video clips

813
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,679
your audio clips

814
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,279
things of that your special effects

815
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,880
filters whatnot

816
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,120
and uh you have multiple backups of the

817
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,720
timeline but there was a one section of

818
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,240
the timelines like you know big

819
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,200
low we must have represented like two

820
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,000
years of work

821
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,200
had to close my eyes

822
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:25,279
and delete it and it was literally like

823
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,240
a gut punch

824
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:29,200
like i of course nobody misses it

825
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,679
because

826
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,840
they don't know what was in there but

827
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:33,679
for me you know you're into getting all

828
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,880
that stuff

829
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,960
it was like literally when i hit the

830
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:38,320
delete button i went

831
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,679
uh you know like oh it was the physical

832
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,440
like uh

833
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,360
but yeah we had to do what's called

834
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,880
killing your darlings and

835
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,960
you know the the film had to happen we

836
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:50,640
had to continue you know

837
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:53,360
we did what we had to do and so i get it

838
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:53,919
man i

839
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,720
uh oh i was gonna say i'm a playwright

840
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:58,480
and that was one of the first things

841
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,120
we learned in my playwriting courses uh

842
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,559
instead of kill your darlings

843
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:04,720
my professor said kill your babies which

844
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,600
was a little

845
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:08,640
controversial but um it's true it's not

846
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:09,039
easy

847
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,799
to you know spend all that time on

848
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,159
something and know

849
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,320
that you can't make a five hour film

850
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,240
like that would be a series

851
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,720
um which we'll get to um i know there's

852
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,760
maybe some

853
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,279
some inklings of something like that but

854
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,279
um dude i get it um

855
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,200
farhenia is one of the most amazing

856
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,679
cases i know how much you uh

857
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,440
hold that one close so that had to be

858
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,000
really hard i understand oh my god i was

859
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,480
knocking on doors in the town of

860
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:40,880
virginia going to the town square

861
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:43,279
following leads like i'm telling you man

862
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:45,039
you have no idea how hard i worked in

863
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:46,159
virginia

864
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,360
and i remember this sound guy from sao

865
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,200
paulo

866
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,840
you know pronouncing that yeah look at

867
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,440
me like i'm the crazy american

868
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,960
investigators like what do you do you

869
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,159
can't just knock on people

870
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,559
out of your mind like you can't just

871
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:02,480
random strangers in the street i was

872
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,120
like

873
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,799
i did it i got results and i'll never

874
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:06,320
forget when we interviewed the sister of

875
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,799
the

876
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,960
military police officer marco charresi

877
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:10,720
who died after allegedly handling one of

878
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,760
these beans

879
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:14,159
i'm interviewing the sister and teresa

880
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,919
her her husband like

881
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,000
literally standing 50 feet away i could

882
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:20,159
tell her her husband wanted nothing to

883
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,640
do

884
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,559
with her going on camera i mean nothing

885
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,399
to do with it like you could tell

886
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,799
this has been a major issue within the

887
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,320
family within the town

888
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,240
within the in and to do her brother

889
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:31,840
justice she agreed to go on camera

890
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,000
i remember this uh i remember this uh

891
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:38,080
brazilian you know sound guy kind of

892
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:39,200
looked over me and goes

893
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,559
you got to be the luckiest bastard i

894
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,480
think i've ever met because we

895
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,960
we were literally knocking on doors well

896
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,720
that entire

897
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,720
film that section of the of the movie

898
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:50,159
sorry

899
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,120
gone so

900
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,840
it's hard it's hard i know um well i

901
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:59,840
guess kind of wrapping up socorro there

902
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,640
is one more

903
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:02,640
aspect to that that i'd love to talk to

904
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,840
you about james and this actually um

905
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:08,000
this came from one of your your editors

906
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,520
and your producers who

907
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,360
who told me this little tidbit if you're

908
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,600
willing to talk to us about it um these

909
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,520
letters that were written to

910
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,600
lonnie zamora at the time first of all i

911
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,240
mean like you mentioned earlier this

912
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:23,360
event was not a positive aftermath for

913
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:23,919
this guy

914
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:27,360
it went in his career um his reputation

915
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,720
was not a career enhancing move exactly

916
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,720
and i mean there were two times in the

917
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,320
film that i actually cried

918
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:36,320
and that was one of them when i heard in

919
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,679
his own voice say

920
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,640
this like ruined my life uh that hit me

921
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:42,080
and then there's another part which

922
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,520
we'll get to that made me blubber a

923
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,760
little but um the

924
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,279
the letters all these letters were

925
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,159
written to him and um supposedly

926
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,559
he didn't write anyone back but there

927
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,000
was one letter

928
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,720
that he did write a response to and you

929
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:58,399
were able to locate that is that

930
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,120
something you were

931
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:01,039
you're willing to tell us here on the

932
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:02,840
air

933
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:09,269
let's see how can i phrase this without

934
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:16,710
um i interviewed

935
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,279
lonnie's co-worker at the dump i think

936
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,960
they work together for 30 years i'd have

937
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:21,840
to look at that

938
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,720
exact to know for sure and it was very

939
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:26,399
very difficult to get this guy to go on

940
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,120
camera i mean

941
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:29,440
extremely difficult i mean it took like

942
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,240
locals

943
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:32,480
really working this guy and he finally

944
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,600
agreed

945
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,519
and we had no idea honestly what he was

946
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,880
going to reveal on camera of course that

947
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:38,080
interview didn't end up in the movie

948
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:38,880
either

949
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,440
unbelievable and he has since died so as

950
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:43,200
mary has died

951
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,720
um i'm not sure if the local sheriff

952
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,159
that i interviewed has died yet or not

953
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,159
but i interviewed him in the icu

954
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:50,640
that ended up on that room floor but

955
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:57,750
we basically learned that

956
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:01,039
there was possibly

957
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:05,039
some evidence that could still be

958
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,190
i in lieu of calling i went there

959
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:12,799
physically and i talked to

960
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:15,919
his wife mary and uh

961
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:18,720
told shared with her the news that i had

962
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:19,679
and then i

963
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:22,159
offered to rent her house for a couple

964
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,279
of weeks

965
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:26,240
and basically turn it upside down um

966
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,200
which i did

967
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,240
and um if i told your audience

968
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:32,640
the the lengths of which i went to to to

969
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,360
find

970
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:36,240
said evidence uh we'd be here all night

971
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,519
but suffice to say

972
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,600
i do not give up easily okay i turned

973
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:41,039
that place upside down

974
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:44,320
in the process i found a black

975
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:47,440
duffel bag in his police locker in a

976
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:50,559
in a in a shack

977
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:53,679
um shed outside away from the house and

978
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:56,960
inside was meticulous

979
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:00,240
keepings of newspaper clip clippings

980
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,240
articles um letters of correspondence

981
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,880
uh most of which were never even opened

982
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,080
some of them were open

983
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,200
clearly not responded to um

984
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,840
and i asked mary i i shared with mary

985
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:14,799
what we'd found

986
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,269
so many people responded from all around

987
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,279
the world like i just simply couldn't

988
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:26,640
believe

989
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:29,360
how many letters lonnie had in this and

990
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,840
he had

991
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,159
meticulously kept them clearly put him

992
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:33,440
all in one spot

993
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:36,559
and then as i said earlier the air force

994
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,039
did

995
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,440
a really good job at getting him to

996
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,799
downplay the aspect of the close

997
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:41,919
encounter of the third kind

998
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:44,559
describing the beans and that was

999
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,200
something that

1000
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,200
richard even richard t holder had said

1001
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:49,440
to him very early on

1002
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,480
you know they took him into the

1003
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,840
interrogation room i don't think he got

1004
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:53,039
another until about one o'clock in the

1005
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,600
morning

1006
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,519
the sighting happened at five the

1007
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:57,519
military showed up at about six

1008
00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:00,399
um and his wife said he came home and he

1009
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,440
was white as a sheet

1010
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,200
you know and didn't want to talk about

1011
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:06,080
it but but any case

1012
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,079
before the military had gotten on the

1013
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,839
scene uh there was

1014
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:12,079
local police officers and and and other

1015
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:12,960
people

1016
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,560
that got to hear the unfiltered account

1017
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:18,399
of the beans and all this other stuff

1018
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:20,320
and so that got out and was published in

1019
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:21,919
some of the local newspapers

1020
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:24,800
lonnie had cut those out and had kept

1021
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,440
them

1022
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,919
really special in this little collection

1023
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,800
of things

1024
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,159
and so you'll see when you watch the

1025
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,720
movie there's those descriptions of

1026
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,800
of the beans and and the fact that one

1027
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:36,240
of them looked right at him and all that

1028
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,800
stuff that

1029
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,720
probably would have just been forgotten

1030
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:40,000
had it not been for obviously ray

1031
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,800
stanford

1032
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:43,040
and those little clippings but um but

1033
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,480
also letters from

1034
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:47,119
from around the world of of people that

1035
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:48,560
seen similar things

1036
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:52,639
there were also many references

1037
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,359
to people submitting photographs

1038
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,400
in the letters okay and

1039
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,320
i'm going why would you it would say

1040
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,640
stuff like enclosed please find you know

1041
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:06,160
four photographs of an object very

1042
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,599
similar to what you described i took

1043
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,359
them in la i took them in here

1044
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,520
like i got a number of those letters and

1045
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:13,359
i'm thinking to myself

1046
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,480
why are the the the thing is opened

1047
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,400
and there are no photographs in any of

1048
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:19,760
these envelopes well i talked to his

1049
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,240
wife

1050
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,880
mary and mary said that he had an

1051
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:24,480
ongoing relationship with the air force

1052
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,520
they would come back

1053
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:28,480
and check in on him call him you know

1054
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:29,920
there was a correspondence that went on

1055
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:30,320
for

1056
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:33,920
quite some time and uh i'm convinced

1057
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,800
based on what i saw that um and i know

1058
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,400
you asked me about a specific other

1059
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:39,920
letter that he did respond to

1060
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:43,119
but i will say that um i'm convinced

1061
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,720
that people sent him photographs

1062
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:47,040
of similar objects because he was like

1063
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,560
the epicenter of ufo sightings in

1064
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:50,000
america at the time in fact probably the

1065
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,480
world

1066
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,160
because it got so much attention and

1067
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:54,079
that he gave those photographs over to

1068
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,440
the air force

1069
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,920
because why else would someone say here

1070
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,160
in it please find enclosed

1071
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,920
these photographs of you know on a

1072
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:03,280
couple of occasions letters and there's

1073
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:04,480
no photographs

1074
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:07,599
like give me another explanation

1075
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,720
yeah wow yep i mean again like that's

1076
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,320
the thing when it comes to these

1077
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,440
these cases you know they happen then

1078
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,440
things continue after that so the fact

1079
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,960
that they buddied up to him

1080
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:21,119
and probably confiscated those photos

1081
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,000
says

1082
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:24,079
a lot and again we won't go into all the

1083
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,119
specifics but it was

1084
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:27,599
a very powerful part of the film oh

1085
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,400
thank you that's

1086
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,079
one of my favorite parts too there's one

1087
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:31,680
more thing i want to mention and yeah

1088
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:32,320
this

1089
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:35,680
that i

1090
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,720
exhausted every possible avenue and and

1091
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:40,160
i don't again i can't remind your

1092
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,720
viewers

1093
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:43,280
if if i told you the level of detail

1094
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,560
that i went after some of this this

1095
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,240
footage i'm about to mention to you

1096
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,480
um we'd be here all night and your eyes

1097
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:49,839
would glaze over but

1098
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,480
suffice to say i came across at the

1099
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,320
national archives

1100
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:57,200
before i met with mary zamora i came

1101
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:57,760
across

1102
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:01,440
letters from king to nia or kintonella

1103
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,480
who was a project blue book manager

1104
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,560
or chief project officer project blue

1105
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:08,720
book at wright patterson air force base

1106
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:12,720
in dayton ohio at the time okay well

1107
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:15,839
it came to my attention that through

1108
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,800
quintanilla quintanilla and dr heineck

1109
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,320
through letters of correspondence which

1110
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:21,680
i still have today

1111
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:26,320
that there was a film crew that came to

1112
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,040
socorro in i believe it was may of 1965

1113
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,960
but i'm honestly i'm not exactly sure

1114
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,160
that day but it was

1115
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,640
months after the sighting in fact i

1116
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,040
think it was under a year

1117
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,160
the film was referred to in

1118
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,280
air force memos air force letters of

1119
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:46,800
correspondence between heinek

1120
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,839
and basically what uh what was said was

1121
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,440
king daniella said you know it's come to

1122
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,640
my attention

1123
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:55,359
that there's a film crew that's coming

1124
00:38:03,589 --> 00:37:56,400
to

1125
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,599
and we really don't want that like i'm

1126
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:05,119
really concerned it's going to open up a

1127
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:05,839
whole new

1128
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:08,079
the floodgate of inquiries and we don't

1129
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,119
want that

1130
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,880
he goes it would be too obvious for me

1131
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,320
to go through socorro

1132
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,520
but why don't you be passing through

1133
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,280
and just stop by and pay a visit and

1134
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,040
find out what the hell's going on

1135
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:21,200
is lonnie really doing this so i was

1136
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:22,480
like wow that's interesting i haven't

1137
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:23,599
heard about that

1138
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,119
case well then uh i even have the

1139
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,440
the return response letter from dr

1140
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,440
heineck who says to quintanilla

1141
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:34,160
hey i'm i'm here i am sitting down in uh

1142
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,599
support new mexico with all the key

1143
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,640
players and

1144
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,480
uh the only thing missing is the ufo

1145
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,079
kind of you know ha ha

1146
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,079
and uh and confirmed that lonnie was

1147
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,400
indeed participating with the film

1148
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,599
but that's all i knew when i came across

1149
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,440
this duffel bag at lonnie's house

1150
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,680
newspaper clippings cut out and i got

1151
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:53,440
the details of this film

1152
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,000
and it was a film called ufo it was

1153
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:57,760
called um

1154
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,160
uh phenomena 7.7

1155
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,480
phenomena 7.7 and the interesting thing

1156
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,079
was we were going to call

1157
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,119
this film uh initially 701

1158
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:11,440
right right i wanted a representative

1159
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,160
number

1160
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,839
of cases after 12 000 i think 618

1161
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,520
ufo cases investigated by the united

1162
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:20,160
states airport 701 remain unexplained

1163
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:23,599
that was like it's symbolic of of the

1164
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,640
stubborn

1165
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,680
you know 5 10 15 of ufo reports

1166
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,440
that after careful scientific

1167
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:31,680
examination defy a terrestrial

1168
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:32,480
explanation

1169
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:34,880
so it's symbolic that number 701 well

1170
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,000
phenomenon 7.7.7

1171
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,480
the producers were empire studios

1172
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:42,000
michael musto and a guy named

1173
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,800
uh um uh dr frank strange's

1174
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,880
and i was like oh okay and he was like

1175
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:50,480
well we're calling it phenomenal

1176
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:53,680
7.7 because in 1965 out of this many

1177
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:54,480
cases

1178
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,680
you know seven yeah it was like seven

1179
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,599
whatever percent was what is unexplained

1180
00:40:01,510 --> 00:40:01,280
but anyway it was very kind of similar

1181
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,520
to

1182
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,119
you know what we were initially called

1183
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:05,520
that's interesting so they came

1184
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:08,560
i find out that that lonnie with

1185
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:11,839
uh participates in this film in 1965

1186
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,319
uh from empire studios with two with the

1187
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:16,160
director and producer michael musto and

1188
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,520
dr frank strange's

1189
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,960
well i couldn't find michael mousseau

1190
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,280
but i found dr frank strange's

1191
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:23,440
and um i looked him up and he had just

1192
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:25,040
passed unfortunately

1193
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,640
but i wanted to find where this movie

1194
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:29,119
was okay

1195
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,240
and i i read more articles about it

1196
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,079
and that basically the movie was going

1197
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,760
to be premiered and look it was

1198
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,079
it was shot on 16 millimeter color and

1199
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,760
it was documented the entire like

1200
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,280
all the witnesses a lot of zamora on

1201
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,960
camera no one's ever seen it

1202
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,599
and so i was like dying to get my hands

1203
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:46,800
on this thing and

1204
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,040
i looked up empire studios i got a hold

1205
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:50,880
of dr frank strange's

1206
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,200
wife uh julie and julie had some medical

1207
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:57,200
issues at the time and she was still you

1208
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,319
know

1209
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,839
very devastated by the passing of her

1210
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,920
husband frank and i

1211
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,920
uh befriended her it took me about a

1212
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,480
year but then i went through

1213
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,960
uh you know with her blessing i went

1214
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:09,760
through

1215
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:12,319
his storage facilities which were in los

1216
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,119
angeles

1217
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,440
that were you know uh boxes stacked at

1218
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,119
the ceiling and all these

1219
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,280
at 100 degree temperature heat with no

1220
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,960
ventilation and no windows

1221
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:23,200
and going in there and going through

1222
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:24,000
hundreds

1223
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,560
looking for a copy of this film

1224
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,160
and she kept telling i know it's here

1225
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,079
somewhere and i must have spent two

1226
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:34,240
weeks looking for this thing pouring

1227
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,720
sweat

1228
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,040
can't breathe couldn't find it then i

1229
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:39,040
did research on empire studios

1230
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,839
it had gone bankrupt it was purchased by

1231
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:43,520
some other company i contacted that

1232
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,640
company i had people going to the

1233
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,000
archives there

1234
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,880
oh my god long story short after five

1235
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,680
years

1236
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,480
i gave up and i never found the film and

1237
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,920
i'm going to ask your audience to be

1238
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,280
patient with me but i think it's called

1239
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:57,839
phenomenon 7.7

1240
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:01,440
i'm i'm 99 sure so if anyone ever hears

1241
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,079
of it

1242
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:05,200
or can continue that effort to find it

1243
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,720
you'll find 16 millimeter color

1244
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,200
you know interviews uh professionally

1245
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:13,119
shot with a budget from empire studios

1246
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,720
in 1965

1247
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,480
of one of the most compelling and well

1248
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,800
documented ufo close encounters

1249
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,200
of the third kind in second new mexico

1250
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,520
but i was unable to get my hands on it

1251
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,280
you did the dirty work james now it's

1252
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:27,119
time for someone else to continue that

1253
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,560
so any of my viewers

1254
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,960
or listeners i know you are all as

1255
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,920
tenacious

1256
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:34,000
as james is so get out there and look

1257
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:35,599
for that film we need to find that

1258
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,480
um well okay so kind of moving to the

1259
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,920
second act of the film

1260
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,520
james because i do want to get to some

1261
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:43,280
awesome listener questions with you

1262
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:46,079
um this is what i have sort of coined um

1263
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:49,280
bnyt and a nyt before new york times

1264
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,400
after new york times

1265
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,720
which seems to be kind of the um you

1266
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,440
know the cusp of ufo

1267
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,440
disclosure i hate using that word i know

1268
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,040
you do too but um

1269
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,599
let's talk about um that part of the

1270
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:03,680
film the people you interviewed about

1271
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:07,040
this story that broke in 2017 exploded

1272
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,560
all over the world um

1273
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,480
and you were able to get access to a lot

1274
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:11,680
of people who

1275
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:14,720
a lot of journalists have not and um a

1276
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,200
very

1277
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,680
few i should say that was uh senator

1278
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:18,720
harry reid

1279
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,839
chris mellon tell me all about this um

1280
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,119
journey in the film because this is

1281
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:25,200
where it really really picked up for a

1282
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,079
lot of i would say

1283
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,560
probably the um the younger people out

1284
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:30,000
there who watch the film because this

1285
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,880
was more

1286
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:33,200
modern for them instead of the history

1287
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:34,960
lesson of project blue book

1288
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,599
uh yeah tell us all about what you found

1289
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:40,240
and uh what they had to say okay

1290
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,720
so uh one thing i'd like to say

1291
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,800
establish right out the gate here is

1292
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:49,520
that i understand

1293
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:53,520
that you know the first part of the film

1294
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:56,560
is a sort of history lesson

1295
00:44:02,230 --> 00:43:59,680
i went to great lengths to find

1296
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:02,240
never before seen archival footage news

1297
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,040
real footage

1298
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,440
stuff that the world has never seen and

1299
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:06,960
i did it because it'll be the last time

1300
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:15,910
the first half of the film is done

1301
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:20,000
so the second half of the film

1302
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:23,440
is to be taken seriously to be put into

1303
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:24,480
context

1304
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,960
because if i succeeded with

1305
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,200
my goal and quite honestly it's been a

1306
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:33,119
goal that i've had for 26 years

1307
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,640
and that is to create the seminal

1308
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:36,800
feature length documentary film

1309
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,440
on the topic of ufos that can transcend

1310
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,640
the whole ufo community

1311
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,200
and penetrate a much broader global

1312
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,880
audience that has

1313
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,280
very little information on this very

1314
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:49,280
important topic in my opinion

1315
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:52,400
than roswell and area 51. so that

1316
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,520
is why i spent as much time as i did

1317
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:58,079
on the first half of the film i had to

1318
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,200
put

1319
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,880
what occurs in the second half in

1320
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:03,200
context i had to

1321
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,880
walk the audience through like the

1322
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,480
history of the phenomenon

1323
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:08,079
the modern day history the phenomenon in

1324
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,520
terms of you know the

1325
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,680
the evolution of policy within the air

1326
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:13,599
force how they were trying to deal with

1327
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:14,079
this

1328
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,520
problem and and that was why i did that

1329
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:19,280
and i've read some i try not to read

1330
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,920
reviews but

1331
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,440
you know do you like the same old

1332
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:23,040
history as like well i can't change the

1333
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:23,839
fact

1334
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:26,480
the history is the history okay we focus

1335
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,839
on some of the more poignant

1336
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,400
moments of that historical record and we

1337
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,640
do so in a way with new fresh

1338
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,319
archival material i know that because

1339
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,319
i've had even richard dolan go where did

1340
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:37,760
you find that

1341
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:41,520
oh yeah yeah right

1342
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,440
let me be clear um i i meant no

1343
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,920
you know i when i say like history

1344
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,760
lesson i mean that in the best of ways

1345
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:51,599
because i have been investigating

1346
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:54,400
and researching this topic since i was

1347
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,599
13 years old

1348
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,599
and that first half of the film i

1349
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:59,520
learned so much that i never knew

1350
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,880
so yeah please anyone who's you know

1351
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,880
you know writing reviews saying i knew

1352
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,160
all this i knew all this

1353
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,880
no you didn't you did not know about a

1354
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:10,400
lot of these things that you were able

1355
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:10,960
to find

1356
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,000
so yeah let's be clear yeah that's

1357
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,800
it was needed i and i look and i i had

1358
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,480
to do it i just had to because

1359
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:20,960
like i said they're not gonna look i

1360
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:23,280
know my reaction when i heard about

1361
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,240
the rui case in the 90s when i was doing

1362
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:27,680
a film on ufos

1363
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:30,319
in the 90s three years after that case

1364
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,119
happened

1365
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:33,119
1997 i'm trying to get an interview with

1366
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,400
steven spielberg

1367
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,839
just naive enough the time to think i

1368
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:38,160
could pull it off and stephen said you

1369
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:38,480
know

1370
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:41,599
through our mutual friend janet yang hey

1371
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,119
yeah i'm gonna go ahead and not meet

1372
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:45,200
with you but i do want you to know

1373
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,319
there's this case that you should look

1374
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:48,079
into since you're doing a ufo film

1375
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,599
and it's a landing and a reported close

1376
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,880
encounter of the third kind it took

1377
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,000
place in broad daylight at

1378
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:54,000
school in africa i'm thinking to myself

1379
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:55,280
yeah right

1380
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,560
how could that happen in the whole world

1381
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:58,400
not know about it so i knew what i was

1382
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,200
up against

1383
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:01,440
if i wasn't going to believe it to the

1384
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,640
point where i wouldn't even look

1385
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,960
into it there's no way the general

1386
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:06,079
public could have believed that ever

1387
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:06,560
happened

1388
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,440
so i had to set the film up and and

1389
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:11,200
jokingly we had this mantra in the edit

1390
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,680
studio

1391
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:14,160
where are we going road to rua road to

1392
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:14,800
room

1393
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,480
our case and we need to build our case

1394
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,400
and to get to

1395
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,520
the point in which the audience may just

1396
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:24,880
walk away from watching this film

1397
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,520
thinking that

1398
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,440
that that incident really did really did

1399
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,280
happen now

1400
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:30,960
probably about four and a half years

1401
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:38,630
the new york times story breaks i kind

1402
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:38,960
of

1403
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:42,160
knew from previous experiences

1404
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,520
you know you get the valleys and the

1405
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,599
peaks and and in the level of interest

1406
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:47,119
within the media on the on the topic

1407
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,720
never goes away totally but sometimes

1408
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:51,040
you have these lull periods and i i've

1409
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,000
seen that it happened

1410
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,160
when i with all films i've ever done on

1411
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,640
the topic and i've done four

1412
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:59,280
and i jokingly was saying in the studio

1413
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,920
hey you know

1414
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,040
everyone's like how do you end this

1415
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,839
movie i said well i don't you know i

1416
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,440
usually there's a sighting that gets

1417
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,680
promoted i'm sure something will happen

1418
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,880
and you know it's going to be several

1419
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,359
years and but i had no

1420
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,640
idea that the secret pentagon program

1421
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,079
atip was going to wind up on the front

1422
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,839
page of the new york times

1423
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:20,240
and then a household name senator

1424
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,280
majority leader

1425
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,440
harry reid was going to be the guy who

1426
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,599
launched it i mean my god that was like

1427
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,040
the most explosive thing that could have

1428
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:29,040
possibly happened i mean granted add a

1429
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,240
couple years of

1430
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:32,480
production on the film but my god what a

1431
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:33,680
wonderful

1432
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,839
everything has changed

1433
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:39,520
since then you asked me how how do i

1434
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,119
know that is because

1435
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,520
i've got people around the world that

1436
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,440
have been heckling me for decades

1437
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:48,000
on my research into this in my films

1438
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:48,720
into this

1439
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:51,839
less so you know more recently

1440
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,559
but when that story broke i had people

1441
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:55,599
all over

1442
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,440
maybe you were right jesus james i i

1443
00:49:04,829 --> 00:49:03,200
can't believe this this is amazing it

1444
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,839
really changed the climate

1445
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:07,200
significantly and then of course we had

1446
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,640
our primary targets of

1447
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,200
you know fravor and melon and and reed

1448
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:13,680
and lou elizondo and the new york times

1449
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,000
and

1450
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,599
you know we had to you know i'm not

1451
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:17,359
kidding when i said it was at least

1452
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:17,839
another

1453
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,119
possibly more

1454
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,319
because when we eventually got

1455
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,079
an interview with senator harry reid

1456
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,319
which was a truly

1457
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:31,040
wow moment for me in production uh he

1458
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:31,440
dropped

1459
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,559
a couple of bombshells which led to us

1460
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,319
realizing the other other elements of

1461
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,839
the phenomenon that we had to cover

1462
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,440
in the movie which added an additional

1463
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,440
year of production and that is ufos and

1464
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,040
nukes

1465
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,119
right and i mean there were some things

1466
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:47,119
that harry reid said in your film

1467
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:49,599
that instantly went viral you know once

1468
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,559
the film came out

1469
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:53,440
and was all over the headlines and uh

1470
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,240
that was pretty

1471
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:56,000
pretty interesting some of the stuff he

1472
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:57,280
had to say um

1473
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,559
yeah so i guess kind of wrapping up that

1474
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:02,880
part james the ufos and nukes this is a

1475
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,400
very alarming topic within ufology

1476
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,880
that um doesn't get the credit that it

1477
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,240
deserves and i think

1478
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,559
people like robert hastings and and

1479
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:14,559
salus and individuals like this coming

1480
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,440
forward

1481
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:18,079
and giving their testimony hundreds of

1482
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,880
cases

1483
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,200
i mean you compiled so many of these and

1484
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:23,119
uh one of my favorite parts was the part

1485
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,000
that you had

1486
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,720
with map the world how many nukes have

1487
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,000
been detonated i won't

1488
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,680
say anything else but it gave me chills

1489
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,200
man it gave me chill

1490
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:33,440
you know i i gotta i gotta plug a couple

1491
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,640
of people there robert

1492
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,800
hastings made his entire archive

1493
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,559
available to us he worked with me

1494
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,880
night and day he was absolutely amazing

1495
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,720
he deserves all the credit for that

1496
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,480
i mean it was painstakingly putting that

1497
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,839
together with with

1498
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,920
with with my writer uh partner mark

1499
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,520
parrish who's amazing

1500
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,680
and and also we have george knapp who's

1501
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,359
working tirelessly behind the scenes

1502
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:55,200
they get harry reid on board that was

1503
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,960
like a window about

1504
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,960
oh maybe like this i didn't talk to even

1505
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,240
my partner about it

1506
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,880
no one no one during negotiations i want

1507
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,520
to jinx it

1508
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:05,040
and it was almost got pulled out from

1509
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:06,880
under us the morning of

1510
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:10,160
but um yeah that uh

1511
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:13,599
you know you think of ufos

1512
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,589
but then you hear about interacting with

1513
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,640
our nukes and

1514
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,119
penetrating extremely sensitive nuclear

1515
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:24,800
weapons facilities

1516
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,599
and shutting them off yeah some cases

1517
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:28,880
turning them on

1518
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,160
uh that's an intelligence that's like

1519
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:34,720
whoa damn what are they what are they

1520
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,839
saying to us

1521
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,520
now is one of my favorite moments

1522
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,920
basically i met with robert salas years

1523
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:41,280
ago and

1524
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,720
he goes well the message is pretty clear

1525
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,640
to me it's like taking matches out of

1526
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,000
the hands of a baby

1527
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,839
you know and that was really one of the

1528
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,599
aspects that senator reid had shared

1529
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,640
with me on camera

1530
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,000
when we were doing a little walk and

1531
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:54,000
talk getting some b-roll in the in the

1532
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,720
hallway

1533
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:57,200
which was massive i i mean i couldn't

1534
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,400
believe that he didn't reveal it and i

1535
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,760
didn't ask

1536
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,440
during the sit-down but he did reveal it

1537
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,440
during the walk-in talk for the b-roll

1538
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,440
and he said that was one of the more

1539
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:07,520
alarming aspects of the phenomenon and

1540
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,559
that's you know

1541
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:10,559
that's why we ended up doing the section

1542
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:11,680
that we did

1543
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:14,880
uh in with ufos and nukes which i find

1544
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:18,160
it's unbelievable it is and i think it's

1545
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,599
only just begun of

1546
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:21,040
what we're going to learn about that

1547
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,960
part of all of this but um

1548
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,240
kind of wrapping up my personal

1549
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,240
questions here james um

1550
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,079
zimbabwe we have to just cover it

1551
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,480
briefly we won't go through the event um

1552
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,880
anyone who wants to know about the event

1553
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,240
go watch the film

1554
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:36,800
you cover it in great detail but um what

1555
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:37,680
you did is

1556
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:40,559
the the case involved child witnesses

1557
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,599
which is

1558
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:44,079
amazing these cases with children it

1559
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:45,200
there's they make some of the best

1560
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:46,400
witnesses because

1561
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,520
they have no filtering mechanism they uh

1562
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,200
they don't have preconceived notions

1563
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,559
about what they saw they just

1564
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,400
tell you what the hell happened and i

1565
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:56,079
wish we had more of those types of

1566
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,200
people out there

1567
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,200
so um but you caught up with them you

1568
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,880
went to zimbabwe

1569
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:03,359
and you interviewed these witnesses god

1570
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:04,960
decades later and that was the other

1571
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,760
part of the film

1572
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,280
that made me cry was when you

1573
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:08,960
interviewed these people and

1574
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:11,920
all of them all of them stick to the

1575
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:12,880
story

1576
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,839
which is incredible you know and it

1577
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,839
shows how it can affect their lives

1578
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:19,520
i get goosebumps just thinking about it

1579
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:21,000
it's the most

1580
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:29,750
i've ever investigated absolutely

1581
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:32,640
you know looking at that randall

1582
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:34,079
nickerson by the way has got a film

1583
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,359
coming out

1584
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:37,280
one of our co-producers dan farah is

1585
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,640
producing it with randall

1586
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,240
he's been working on it for a long time

1587
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,319
and he he needs to get credit where

1588
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:44,000
credit is due he's done an extensive

1589
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,359
research on that case

1590
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:47,680
he was very helpful in locating some of

1591
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:48,400
the witnesses

1592
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:51,680
today um and making that and pulling

1593
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:52,640
that off

1594
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,400
and look i had a level of resistance

1595
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,720
from day one with that case because my

1596
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:00,640
investor at the time

1597
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,880
this guy larry was just like you know

1598
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:03,920
you mean to tell me

1599
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,040
you i said i got i get it i said look i

1600
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:08,640
had the same reaction just

1601
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:11,200
larry hold on just please i said just

1602
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:11,839
look at

1603
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:15,200
footage of the children being

1604
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,720
interviewed by a harvard psychiatrist

1605
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,079
just take a moment you know

1606
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:20,640
i don't believe because look it's really

1607
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,200
hard

1608
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,319
for anyone to wrap their mind around how

1609
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:26,319
a sighting of that significance

1610
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,920
you've got a ufo multiple ufos

1611
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:31,520
land in broad daylight during morning

1612
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,680
recess there were 100 kids

1613
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,240
people often say 66 it was closer to 100

1614
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,720
because 66 went on camera 100 kids in

1615
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,400
the playground

1616
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,400
that witness in broad daylight and the

1617
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,680
occupants get out and interact

1618
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:45,280
telepathically with the kids

1619
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:48,559
and look you'd go and ask anyone

1620
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:50,799
randomly on the street and on street

1621
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,760
corner they're gonna

1622
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,440
they're gonna think you're smoking a you

1623
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,440
know a

1624
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:57,599
crack pipe i mean honestly no one's

1625
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,559
gonna believe it

1626
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,880
but i'm telling you when you look at the

1627
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,480
testimony of the children

1628
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,760
then you track them out and you talk to

1629
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,000
them 20 years later and then you

1630
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:08,400
go to the location in africa and you

1631
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,920
meet with more of the students

1632
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:12,160
now young adults and then the school

1633
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,960
teacher

1634
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:15,119
listen very carefully at the end of the

1635
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:16,799
movie what judy bates that says

1636
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:19,359
who's now the head mistress you really

1637
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,079
have to

1638
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,160
pay attention and listen to what she

1639
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,480
says because she apologizes

1640
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,160
to the children for her behavior at the

1641
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:28,079
time her unwillingness to sort of back

1642
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,960
the kids up

1643
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,400
and then sort of confirms that she was

1644
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,880
dealing with stuff from her own personal

1645
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:35,119
experience of that incident it's quite

1646
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,240
remarkable

1647
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,400
and um and a lot of people miss it but

1648
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:40,079
if you listen very carefully to what she

1649
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,280
says she's

1650
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:43,520
she's um yeah she's confirming what the

1651
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,480
kids saw

1652
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,720
and she's confirmed in a way that would

1653
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,079
would definitely

1654
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,960
suggest that she was a witness as well

1655
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,880
absolutely and i think it's important to

1656
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:54,559
also stress uh

1657
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,440
this idea that when a child comes to a

1658
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,880
adult with something like this

1659
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:01,119
of course they try to brush it off um

1660
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,720
and so did the news

1661
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,319
and this goes for the westside case

1662
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,400
which you cover as well and a teacher

1663
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:08,480
who came forward with that one

1664
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,799
as well um but exactly i wouldn't

1665
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,119
exactly say he came forward

1666
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,200
yeah that's yeah that's a good point

1667
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:17,920
yeah we'll let the viewers

1668
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:20,960
debate that but um yeah i think this

1669
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,599
idea

1670
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:24,079
uh of children being really good

1671
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,960
witnesses

1672
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:27,119
really shown through and the messages

1673
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,160
they were given

1674
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,240
again there's so much to this case and

1675
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:32,240
you cover it so well so we'll let the

1676
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:33,040
viewers

1677
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,160
um look at that but um yeah yeah

1678
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:39,119
one thing if i may briefly open it uh

1679
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:40,640
that was

1680
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:43,920
uh that and zecora were two of the most

1681
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:44,640
challenging

1682
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,400
uh edits clearly there's so

1683
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:50,799
much content you know um you know like i

1684
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:52,000
said sequoia i interviewed the whole

1685
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,200
family and co-workers and

1686
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:55,599
local sheriff and all the documentation

1687
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:56,799
i mean there's only so much you could

1688
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:57,599
put in

1689
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:01,359
you know in 10 minutes 15 minutes

1690
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:05,680
that case um zimbabwe

1691
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:14,710
probably spent over a thousand editing

1692
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:15,200
hours

1693
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,720
on that piece and it was pretty good

1694
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,640
and i eventually got a new writing

1695
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,319
partner this guy mark barish

1696
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:24,720
and he is incredibly smart and talented

1697
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:25,359
guy

1698
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:28,559
who just happened to have worked with

1699
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,799
john mack during that time in the 90s

1700
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,119
and even traveled to africa with him

1701
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,520
that case was very close to his heart

1702
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:36,880
he'd been thinking about it for 20 years

1703
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:37,680
in fact

1704
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,200
he founded a company planting trees

1705
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:44,079
after he heard about the testimony for

1706
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,359
the children the environmental

1707
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:47,440
impact and all that stuff and is since

1708
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,720
responsible for planting

1709
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,040
10 million trees that case was so close

1710
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,200
to him he came into the studio with me

1711
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:55,359
you know pretty late on when we had a

1712
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,720
pretty good rough cut of that

1713
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:59,040
section and it took like myself and

1714
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:00,880
three other editors

1715
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:03,200
take after take after take i mean it was

1716
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:04,640
it was a monster

1717
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:07,599
to get a handle on and uh and mark came

1718
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:08,799
in he goes well let me have a look and i

1719
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,920
said mark i think we've got a pretty

1720
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:11,359
good cut he goes well let me come in and

1721
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,319
have a look

1722
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:14,480
so he came in and had a look and he was

1723
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:15,440
one of those guys

1724
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:19,119
that was so fastidious about everything

1725
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,839
that it was like

1726
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:21,200
annoying because i'd sit in the edit

1727
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:23,119
room just going you look over and i'm

1728
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,640
like

1729
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,480
mark he goes oh no there's a statement

1730
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:28,079
here with one of these kids

1731
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,839
and we're looking through like 15 hours

1732
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,440
of material it's here

1733
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,280
you know no this is important james and

1734
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:35,119
i'm just totally annoyed just going oh

1735
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:36,079
come on

1736
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:39,040
like i've been working on this for years

1737
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,319
and uh he was right

1738
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,880
mark was right because mark made these

1739
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:43,920
little changes

1740
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:46,960
these little bits of testimonials that

1741
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:50,000
may seem insignificant at the time

1742
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:53,520
but that just added that next layer

1743
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:56,559
of not only credibility but storytelling

1744
00:59:03,510 --> 00:58:56,960
that

1745
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,520
really pop and um

1746
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,839
you know the ending was kind of an

1747
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:07,280
accident i think i've talked about this

1748
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:08,640
before but

1749
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,720
um i was amazed at hearing the accounts

1750
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:15,200
of the children now as adults hearing

1751
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:16,000
them

1752
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,599
have after having 20 years to think

1753
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:19,280
about and process you know this whole

1754
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,920
event

1755
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,440
a lot of them never even spoke to their

1756
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,680
partners about it after all 20 years

1757
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:25,920
because they were tired of defending it

1758
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,720
but but listening to the adults

1759
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,640
you know talking about an event that

1760
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:32,319
occurred 20 years ago as if it happened

1761
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,599
yesterday

1762
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:35,520
you know a level of description of the

1763
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:36,720
encounter

1764
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:40,480
and watching them draw what they saw

1765
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:44,480
and uh i created this whole montage

1766
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,599
of the adults voices but them

1767
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,599
as children and i worked really hard on

1768
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:51,359
it i spent weeks and weeks on it

1769
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:52,960
and i didn't know where to put it and so

1770
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:55,440
i sort of bumped it into the timeline

1771
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:56,799
and i don't know if you've heard this or

1772
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:59,359
not but i was like i like this

1773
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:00,480
i like where this is going because

1774
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,680
sometimes when you're in the edit studio

1775
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,280
you just try things out like this

1776
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,520
do i like this does this work now this

1777
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:07,040
might work and like a lot of times you

1778
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,400
scrap something but you don't know you

1779
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:09,920
have to explore and go down that rabbit

1780
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,480
hole

1781
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:12,720
and i did and i was liking the direction

1782
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,760
it was going you

1783
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:15,040
looking at the children's faces but

1784
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,640
you're hitting them as adults talking

1785
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,839
about the impact and

1786
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,200
the effect it was having on their

1787
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:21,119
emotions and all this stuff and

1788
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,720
the adults not believing them and not

1789
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,160
even offer them support and

1790
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:26,000
extracting all this information out of

1791
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:27,359
them without actually giving them

1792
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,319
therapy and like

1793
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,000
helping them understand like what had

1794
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:32,160
just happened and um

1795
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,680
it was really great great little moment

1796
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,280
i took that chunk and i

1797
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:36,960
put it at the end of the timeline and i

1798
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:39,040
said i'll i'll revisit that in a few

1799
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:40,640
months

1800
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:43,520
well during that period i inadvertently

1801
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,200
totally accidentally

1802
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,839
deleted the audio of all that hard work

1803
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:49,680
i'd done i mean we're talking like

1804
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,040
weeks gone and and i was like

1805
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:55,839
oh my god i can't believe i did that i

1806
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:57,520
was like i don't know if i have the

1807
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,670
and the player head one day just kept

1808
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:05,040
going because i forgot to hit the space

1809
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:06,319
bar which stops the player ahead of the

1810
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:07,280
timeline

1811
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:10,799
and it plays over the children's

1812
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:14,000
faces that i'd edited with no sound

1813
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:15,520
and there was like some soundtrack there

1814
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:17,599
was music playing but no no interviews

1815
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:18,160
no

1816
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:23,680
them talking just faces music and i went

1817
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:26,720
oh my gosh wow

1818
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,440
that's powerful just you know they say

1819
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:31,359
an expression is worth a thousand words

1820
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:33,040
boy all the expressions of those

1821
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:34,480
children's faces right after the

1822
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:35,359
incident

1823
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,880
was the most powerful thing i'd ever

1824
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,480
seen yeah

1825
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:40,000
right i knew right then and there i was

1826
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:41,520
like this film's ending with the

1827
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:42,000
children

1828
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:45,520
that's it yeah and exactly man

1829
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:47,839
well and i think that's what this film

1830
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:49,760
is about i mean it ends

1831
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:52,400
with the next generation always you know

1832
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:53,920
this this message of

1833
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,920
this is what happened then this is what

1834
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,280
happens now

1835
01:02:01,829 --> 01:01:59,680
whatever these intelligence are that

1836
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:01,839
presumably visited these children

1837
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:05,599
uh or what message they wanted to convey

1838
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:08,400
they did it to the children for a reason

1839
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,440
and i think that's

1840
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:12,480
really stressed in what the

1841
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,319
kids now adults have done with their

1842
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:16,480
lives i mean you showed what these

1843
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,119
people did with their lives after saying

1844
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:21,200
that this event affected them moving

1845
01:02:24,109 --> 01:02:22,079
forward

1846
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:24,119
social workers um you know

1847
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:25,280
environmentalists

1848
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:28,480
uh um civil rights lawyers it's

1849
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,920
incredible to see that

1850
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:31,680
these children went on to do amazing

1851
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:33,520
things and attribute it

1852
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:36,079
to this event that that's what really uh

1853
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,960
kind of

1854
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,640
tugged at my heart strings because you

1855
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:40,319
know me man i'm all about the aftermath

1856
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,400
of an event and how it affects people so

1857
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,880
i'm so happy you ended the film that way

1858
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:46,400
isn't it just like

1859
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:49,520
i mean it you know it's funny i have

1860
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:52,720
not watched the film

1861
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,960
since i completed it i have not watched

1862
01:03:00,829 --> 01:02:55,920
it

1863
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,589
but i say this to your audience like

1864
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:05,200
when you eventually if you rent the film

1865
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,480
or if you buy it

1866
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:08,079
uh if you do get if you decide to

1867
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:10,319
purchase it you got to get it on itunes

1868
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:10,799
or

1869
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:18,559
didn't offer that um

1870
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:22,000
when you watch it do yourselves a favor

1871
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,039
and watch it with

1872
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:25,440
good speakers because we were going to

1873
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:27,200
be in movie theaters

1874
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:28,880
and movie theaters recommended that i

1875
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:31,520
did a 5.1 dolby surround mix

1876
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:33,440
well that requires a sound engineer

1877
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,039
sorry i got something in my eye

1878
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:36,880
that requires a sound engineer in weeks

1879
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:38,559
and weeks of really hard and expensive

1880
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:38,960
work

1881
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:41,359
like jeez you know but i tell you people

1882
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:42,160
told me

1883
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,680
james you don't understand how important

1884
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:45,200
this is you really need

1885
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,920
to to go the extra mile and i literally

1886
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:49,680
went to the bank i took out a loan to do

1887
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:50,559
this last

1888
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,680
bit and uh i think it took the guy the

1889
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,680
better part of six weeks maybe eight

1890
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:57,119
weeks something like that

1891
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:58,799
and he's like okay we're ready for you

1892
01:04:02,069 --> 01:04:00,240
and we'd send him the files for

1893
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,079
uh all the peter coyote interview and

1894
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:04,319
all that stuff and i went down into this

1895
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:05,520
beautiful theater

1896
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:08,559
like big screens surround dolby speakers

1897
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:09,599
i mean it was really

1898
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:13,680
an impressive like up and uh

1899
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,799
we watched the damn movie and i felt

1900
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:18,160
like i was watching my movie for the

1901
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:19,680
first time all by myself and i haven't

1902
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:20,799
seen it since

1903
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:22,240
you know we put some credits and things

1904
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,160
of that nature but basically the whole

1905
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:26,480
film start to finish color correction

1906
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:27,839
audio sweetening

1907
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:32,559
surround mix and if you have adobe 5.1

1908
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,799
that section of the film in sequoia new

1909
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:36,079
mexico

1910
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:39,280
the voices from the letters they bounce

1911
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:40,720
around the room

1912
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:44,400
like the sounds oh my gosh

1913
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:47,119
jesus please watch this movie with good

1914
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:48,480
speakers because my

1915
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:51,760
lord i could not believe

1916
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:55,359
the difference uh it made uh

1917
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:57,280
watching it with the way it was designed

1918
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,720
to be heard because

1919
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,240
like i said this was going to be in

1920
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:02,319
movie theaters we got rob

1921
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:05,680
unfortunately for now and so uh

1922
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:07,760
it's it's it's truly a spectacular

1923
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:10,000
experience in my humble opinion

1924
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:11,920
when you see what this audio this like

1925
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:13,520
six time emmy award-winning audio

1926
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:14,559
engineer did

1927
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:18,000
because wow it was really

1928
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:21,039
yeah and i mean kudos to everyone who

1929
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:22,000
worked on the film

1930
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:24,559
in terms of your you know who did the

1931
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,280
score

1932
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:27,520
in the cinematography and this and that

1933
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:29,839
um everyone involved we won't name them

1934
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:31,520
name by name that's what credits are for

1935
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:32,319
but

1936
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:35,520
in just beautiful job by everyone i have

1937
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:36,480
to say

1938
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:40,079
james i've seen every horrible ufo

1939
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:42,160
documentary out there and every good one

1940
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,520
out there as well

1941
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,359
suffered through some bad ones but did

1942
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:48,000
this just hit every mark that a ufo

1943
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:48,720
researcher

1944
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:51,760
could hope for in a ufo film so um

1945
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,079
i i would love if you're willing to

1946
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:55,839
stick around i will fire through some

1947
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:57,280
listener questions

1948
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:01,039
is that cool yeah yeah awesome yeah

1949
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:03,200
i never have received this many listener

1950
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:05,839
questions for an episode so this is uh

1951
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:08,240
this is fun for me um it really depends

1952
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:09,039
on how

1953
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,880
how much you're willing to share but

1954
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:12,480
let's just go through these man

1955
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,640
um some of them you already answered so

1956
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:16,400
yeah apologies to those out there if i

1957
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:16,799
didn't

1958
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:19,440
don't get to your question um let's see

1959
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:20,480
here

1960
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:23,680
uh rick on facebook

1961
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:27,119
asks luis elizondo endorsed the hell out

1962
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:28,240
of your film

1963
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:30,880
saying it said things he could not and

1964
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:32,319
that it was entirely

1965
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:34,240
accurate that is a hell of an

1966
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:35,680
endorsement coming from the former head

1967
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:36,880
of the secret pentagon

1968
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:41,280
ufo program so rick wants to know um

1969
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,200
uh given the mo that most of the film

1970
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:45,760
was about a non-human intelligence james

1971
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:46,640
um

1972
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,319
what are your current thoughts about the

1973
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:50,799
alien theory uh this guy rick he

1974
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:52,880
he buys into it but um what do you think

1975
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:54,400
what was your intent with the film was

1976
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,520
it to say

1977
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:57,280
some of this could be alien or was it to

1978
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,960
say we don't know

1979
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:03,119
i have drawn the conclusion and i've

1980
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:04,960
asked this question to the highest level

1981
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,400
of people i've ever been in the room

1982
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:11,990
i want to know what is going on

1983
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:14,000
and i really want to know believe me

1984
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:15,599
it's been a life my

1985
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:18,400
almost my entire adult life has been i'm

1986
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:21,359
a taurus i i get to the bottom of things

1987
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,359
i i don't know if we'll ever know in our

1988
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:24,720
lifetimes i'd like

1989
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:27,359
us to i don't know but what what i do

1990
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:28,079
feel comfortable

1991
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,599
saying and this is

1992
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:33,359
speculation but it's informed

1993
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:34,640
speculation

1994
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:38,559
is that there is clearly an omnipresent

1995
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:41,599
intelligence that

1996
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:46,480
has the ability to manifest itself

1997
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:49,280
it's nuts and bolts it's also psychic in

1998
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:51,039
in a multitude of ways

1999
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:54,960
around the globe okay and um

2000
01:08:02,789 --> 01:07:58,640
and it plays tricks on us sometimes

2001
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:02,799
it uh um they have a sense of humor

2002
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:06,480
uh they also uh you know can read our

2003
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:08,960
thoughts which sounds a little crazy but

2004
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:10,000
i can't tell you how many

2005
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:11,760
times i've talked to witnesses about it

2006
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:13,520
i mean look i'll give you one example of

2007
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:14,400
that alone

2008
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:17,839
that's with parvis jafari um

2009
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:19,920
he was chasing the jennifer tehran in

2010
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:23,520
1976 to the iranian general

2011
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:25,520
and he decided just thinking about

2012
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:26,799
trying to shoot this thing that he was

2013
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,520
chasing

2014
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:29,120
he literally went to do it and his whole

2015
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,719
control panel locked up

2016
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:32,560
he was like he said you'll sell a boy

2017
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:34,719
maybe that wasn't such a good idea

2018
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:38,239
but i could go into detail after detail

2019
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,080
after detail about this but they they

2020
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:42,400
have the ability to read our minds

2021
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,679
they're technological their

2022
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:45,759
their technology is light years advance

2023
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:46,960
it's from our own

2024
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,759
um you know clearly i i'm of the camp if

2025
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:51,199
they wanted to do us harm we would have

2026
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:52,719
done it a long time ago i don't believe

2027
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:53,520
that

2028
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,799
um one of the things i learned in the

2029
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,960
sort of organically in the edit room is

2030
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:02,880
i was working with this guy lance mongia

2031
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:05,440
great guy he was an editor he came over

2032
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,400
some fresh

2033
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:07,920
ideas and thoughts and came up some

2034
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,000
brilliant brilliant strategies

2035
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:12,159
but he goes james you know we should

2036
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,839
really and david marlar had all this

2037
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:14,880
wonderful archive

2038
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:18,080
audio and stuff newspaper clippings and

2039
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:19,040
everything

2040
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:22,239
and he goes we should take out a map

2041
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:24,159
and see where these sightings are all

2042
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:25,839
happening in the 40s and 50s and you

2043
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,159
know

2044
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:28,960
so we do this map out texas and new

2045
01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:31,279
mexico we're going oh look at this

2046
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:33,920
proximity to trinity site that's right

2047
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:36,159
here and these bunkers are right there

2048
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:39,759
roswell's over here huh we're going

2049
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:41,600
that's interesting this level of

2050
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:42,799
activity all around

2051
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:46,159
just you know within proximity to

2052
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:47,920
all this nuclear activity well what does

2053
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:50,000
that say to me personally

2054
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,440
then we looked at the ufos and nukes

2055
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,520
aspect of it they're clearly

2056
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:55,600
interested in our nuclear capabilities

2057
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:57,679
or the the

2058
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:59,280
the birth of the atomic age i mean

2059
01:10:01,430 --> 01:10:00,640
that's all that stuff was happening

2060
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:01,440
right around that

2061
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:04,159
hot spot and we made that correlation of

2062
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,679
course we read about it and you know but

2063
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:07,520
to actually like be in that room going

2064
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:09,040
looking on the map and putting pins in

2065
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,920
going

2066
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:11,760
there's got to be a correlation here you

2067
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:13,760
know and so

2068
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:16,960
maybe it's a parallel you know a

2069
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:19,600
parallel universe maybe it's you know uh

2070
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,800
another

2071
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,040
intelligence that's paralleling ours

2072
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:25,440
that you know

2073
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:28,880
yeah possibilities

2074
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:31,120
you know all the above i don't know but

2075
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:32,480
they definitely i feel

2076
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:34,640
very comfortable to say they clearly

2077
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,600
have an interest

2078
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:37,840
in our atomic and nuclear capabilities

2079
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:38,800
no question about

2080
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,239
it yeah tell me about it yeah uh well

2081
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,120
okay so craig on twitter asks james have

2082
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:47,120
you gotten any feedback from those in

2083
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,920
government

2084
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,679
who've seen the film and if so is there

2085
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,120
anything you could share with us

2086
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:53,280
anyone you know top brass or anything

2087
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:55,520
reach out to you after the film came out

2088
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:58,480
yes so i i know my understanding is that

2089
01:11:06,070 --> 01:10:59,280
um

2090
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:06,080
got uh either a briefing or a copy of

2091
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:07,120
the film

2092
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,880
i know that it's been making the rounds

2093
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:10,640
at the pentagon because we got a call

2094
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:11,840
from a former ca

2095
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:14,960
cia guy who confirmed that was happening

2096
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:17,840
um some of which were happy about the

2097
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:19,280
fact that the film was coming out and

2098
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:20,480
some of them were not

2099
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:22,000
because obviously you know we deal with

2100
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:24,159
roswell the potential crash of an alien

2101
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,199
spaceship

2102
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,880
and i think they'd rather that just like

2103
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:28,320
disappear and you know

2104
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,840
because it's like one thing to talk

2105
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:31,679
about under unidentified flying objects

2106
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:32,400
around you know

2107
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:34,239
buzzing around the skies it's another

2108
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:35,760
one to say we've actually recovered one

2109
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:37,199
of these things

2110
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:40,239
so yeah so yeah a pretty clear

2111
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:41,679
indication that there's been a level of

2112
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,159
interest

2113
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,400
in in the white house and and among

2114
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:45,920
different camps in pentagon

2115
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:48,640
for sure and look this is this is not a

2116
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:49,840
quick flash in the pan

2117
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:51,199
journey we're on here getting the film

2118
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:53,199
out this is going to be probably the

2119
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,080
better part of a year

2120
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:56,239
process with you know different

2121
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:57,120
screenings

2122
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:59,920
we're in talks with you know different

2123
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:00,880
streamers

2124
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:03,280
for global platforms you know we're not

2125
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,080
in a hurry

2126
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,560
we're putting the film out and we're

2127
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:08,640
going to get it out to the whole world

2128
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,920
and that process is going to take the

2129
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:11,760
better part of two years i'm sorry a

2130
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,320
year

2131
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:15,360
excuse me yeah hey slow and steady race

2132
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,000
man

2133
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:18,239
every time every time um all right well

2134
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:19,360
our resident

2135
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:22,480
quantum physicist deep he asks beyond

2136
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,320
isotopic ratios

2137
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,400
in relation to the uh samples that gary

2138
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:28,400
known in jacques valet were in

2139
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:29,679
possession of james

2140
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:32,800
and uh had tested um was there anything

2141
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,880
else anomalous about the samples

2142
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:36,640
to your knowledge that jacques valet is

2143
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:38,239
in possession of

2144
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:40,719
so what what ended up in the in the film

2145
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:41,679
is what got

2146
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:44,719
kind of got the teeth pulled out of it

2147
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:45,760
at the end

2148
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,560
because of a couple things one jacques

2149
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,480
is very cautious

2150
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:52,719
of not making any concrete assertions

2151
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:54,719
without peer review

2152
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,159
as well as being published in a

2153
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:58,320
scientific journal

2154
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:00,640
um so i know that jacques was very very

2155
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:02,480
concerned about maintaining a fairly

2156
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:05,920
conservative position um i know that

2157
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:08,400
that that gary had his concerns with his

2158
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:09,840
association with with stanford

2159
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:10,960
university

2160
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:12,880
uh and that aspect of it so we kind of

2161
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:14,320
had to tone it down because when we got

2162
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,440
in the actual lab

2163
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,960
they were revealing a lot more which

2164
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,719
would unfortunately end

2165
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,239
they needed to get approval it had to

2166
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:21,920
kind of get signed off on and so

2167
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:23,840
we kind of toned that level of it down

2168
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:25,040
but i do know that

2169
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,880
and look i'm not i'm no scientist okay

2170
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:28,800
i'm not going to even pretend like i am

2171
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,760
but i do know that that the level of

2172
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:33,360
excitement was pretty high

2173
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:34,400
when they're looking at something that

2174
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,400
was manufactured that was engineered

2175
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:38,880
at an atomic level and uh they didn't

2176
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:39,920
know exactly

2177
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,960
why or how but that was uh

2178
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:45,120
kerry felt quite confident that was

2179
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:46,000
gonna

2180
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,679
potentially lead to other breakthrough

2181
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:51,120
technology and this sort of thing

2182
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:52,719
so that's about as far as i can go on

2183
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,280
that yeah yeah i think that's about as

2184
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,360
far as a lot of us could go with that

2185
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,360
in terms of our scientific knowledge of

2186
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:01,520
isotopic ratios yeah

2187
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,640
look even people like tom delong into

2188
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,400
the stars academy and whatnot there

2189
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,800
they've got same you know the same sort

2190
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:11,120
of not the exact same but materials

2191
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:12,320
they're in possession of

2192
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:14,320
that are manufactured at the atomic

2193
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:15,760
level as well so there has

2194
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:18,400
to be something to it um only time will

2195
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:19,360
tell but um

2196
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:22,080
luis luis on twitter asks james you

2197
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,120
dived into

2198
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,679
ce3 cases in the phenomenon film and i

2199
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,360
was wondering if you will continue

2200
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:29,840
reporting and investigating credible

2201
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,080
close encounter of the third kind or

2202
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:33,760
more cases in the future

2203
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:35,679
and she also asks and this is probably

2204
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,960
the most popular

2205
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:38,719
question uh one of two most popular

2206
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:41,360
questions uh has joe rogan contacted you

2207
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,790
uh okay so let's get the first part of

2208
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:48,400
it is the answer to that

2209
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:51,440
is yes i will i'm never gonna do another

2210
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:52,960
history section we've done it

2211
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:55,760
moving on okay so now like for instance

2212
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,480
the

2213
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:58,320
virginia case i'm clearly going to do

2214
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:00,320
something with that um we're in talks

2215
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:02,560
with major streamers about a mini-series

2216
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:06,480
no question of that um in terms of

2217
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:10,400
people like joe rogan um

2218
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:14,239
sit tight yeah we'll leave it at that

2219
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:14,640
yeah

2220
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:18,480
james i love it um

2221
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,719
tom on twitter asks uh you've talked in

2222
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:22,239
recent interviews about how you have

2223
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,360
consistently

2224
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:25,760
run into reports of ufo witnesses

2225
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:27,360
encountering men in black

2226
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:28,640
something that we didn't really talk

2227
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,800
about in the film or in this discussion

2228
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:32,800
so um do you have any theories about the

2229
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:33,600
purpose

2230
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:35,600
or origin of the men in black yeah what

2231
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,480
are your thoughts on the mibs

2232
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:40,560
i didn't believe it well i wouldn't say

2233
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:43,600
i didn't believe it because i talked to

2234
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:44,320
people

2235
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,320
dating back to the 90s that i'd heard

2236
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:48,080
these reports and i was just like

2237
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:49,920
i don't know it's almost like they went

2238
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:52,159
over my head i would hear him

2239
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:53,440
and then i just wouldn't register

2240
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,760
because i'm thinking to myself come on

2241
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,199
really like these guys showed up in

2242
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:59,360
suits like really come on

2243
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:01,120
then i heard another one and another one

2244
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:02,560
and another one and five years later

2245
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:03,760
another one and another one

2246
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:08,560
credible reports of another ones

2247
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:10,159
and finally i was in south america

2248
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:11,760
meeting with the mother of two of the

2249
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,480
daughters that

2250
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:14,560
came face to face with one of these live

2251
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:15,840
beans from that

2252
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,679
alleged crash in virginia brazil in 1996

2253
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:21,360
and then i'm talking to the mother in

2254
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:22,719
her home like that means this

2255
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:25,040
this woman is not trying to sell crazy

2256
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:26,480
and she's just like yeah and then these

2257
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:28,480
guys and suits came over and

2258
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:30,880
i went okay i've heard enough these guys

2259
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:31,520
exist

2260
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:34,000
and sometimes they're menacing sometimes

2261
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:34,880
less so

2262
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:37,040
sometimes they're there to take whatever

2263
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:38,000
evidence

2264
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,360
they're from an unknown government

2265
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:41,520
agency i know that i talked about this a

2266
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:42,560
little bit with christopher mellon

2267
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:43,520
because we've been doing a lot of

2268
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:44,960
interviews together

2269
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,600
and i not sure if i went beyond his

2270
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,960
comfort zone i started talking about it

2271
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:50,400
from my personal experience

2272
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,440
from people that i've talked to

2273
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:53,280
witnesses and i can give accounts until

2274
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:54,800
i'm blue in the face

2275
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:56,880
um i actually checked in with

2276
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:58,719
christopher mellon after that

2277
01:17:01,669 --> 01:17:00,320
in the last interview that we did

2278
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:01,679
together i was like i hope i didn't go

2279
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:02,480
like

2280
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:04,000
beyond your comfort level i don't want

2281
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:06,000
to associate you with me you know

2282
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:07,440
he goes no no you didn't say anything

2283
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:08,640
that i was uncomfortable with and i was

2284
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:10,000
like okay i just talked about men in

2285
01:17:13,590 --> 01:17:11,040
black

2286
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:13,600
you seem to be okay with that but look i

2287
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,800
i didn't believe it i

2288
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:16,320
i don't know what agency they're from

2289
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:17,920
but they're very interested in look

2290
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:20,800
the better the case and the likelihood

2291
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:21,840
of any decent evidence

2292
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:23,040
they're damn straight they're going to

2293
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:24,880
show up yeah

2294
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:28,000
yeah in some form or fashion yep i i

2295
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:28,880
agree with you

2296
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,880
um all right nick on twitter asks you

2297
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:32,880
brought up the most pristine

2298
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:35,840
uap video uh that you'd personally ever

2299
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:38,000
seen in an interview with rich dolan

2300
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:39,520
recently and nick wants to know have you

2301
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:41,840
had any further contact with the guy

2302
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:43,840
who was in possession of this video and

2303
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:46,640
will we ever see it

2304
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:50,239
great question i got messaged

2305
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:53,520
by two people um after that richard

2306
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,880
dolan interview i was like

2307
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,880
wow i should have brought up some a few

2308
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:58,239
other things as well because

2309
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:59,600
he's got quite an audience and an

2310
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:01,360
audience that's that's pretty you know

2311
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:04,960
plugged in and uh one of the people

2312
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:06,880
confirmed he goes i saw that video too

2313
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:09,520
in 2001 i was like oh my god you signed

2314
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:10,000
he goes

2315
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:11,280
i said how do you remember it it goes

2316
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:13,360
exactly like you remembered it i said

2317
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:14,320
great i

2318
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:15,440
can't believe the first person i've

2319
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:18,880
heard in 25 years that said that

2320
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:21,520
then i got contacted by another person

2321
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:22,400
and

2322
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:25,520
that other person is a private

2323
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:28,960
investigator homicide cases and he

2324
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:35,270
that's fair that's all we can ask for um

2325
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:36,480
all right well here we go

2326
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:38,880
one of your editors actually chimed in

2327
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:40,719
as well here james and that's lance

2328
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:43,199
you mentioned earlier um he wants to

2329
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:44,000
know

2330
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:47,199
what through lines of uh a cover-up

2331
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:48,880
that you found via investigative

2332
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:50,800
journalism stories about people

2333
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:52,800
you know being forced to shut up or

2334
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,080
about what they saw being

2335
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:57,040
paid off threatened humiliated um

2336
01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:58,560
physical evidence that was

2337
01:19:01,910 --> 01:19:01,360
disappearing he put it um yeah what do

2338
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:01,920
you think

2339
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:04,400
is there a clear cover-up in all of the

2340
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:08,480
research that you've done

2341
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:16,149
i think i think that lance knows where

2342
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:17,040
the bodies are

2343
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:26,390
yeah no it was interesting having i

2344
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:28,080
think one of the most telling moments

2345
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:29,280
for me

2346
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:32,000
was when i was in australia and i met

2347
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:33,679
with a couple of witnesses

2348
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:36,960
that had been silent for 50 years one of

2349
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:38,320
them was a school teacher it was a

2350
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:39,679
science teacher

2351
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:42,080
um and i know that he was a witness

2352
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:43,679
because i talked to all

2353
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:46,960
uh in the papers but i also talked to

2354
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:49,520
the then children now adults that were

2355
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:50,000
standing next

2356
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:53,360
to him and uh again i won't bore your

2357
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:55,360
your audience with with details on how

2358
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:56,960
that interview came about

2359
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:59,520
but uh it was one of the more difficult

2360
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:00,400
things i've

2361
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:02,560
you know challenged to do to get him to

2362
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,520
come forward

2363
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:05,600
but he said that he had met visits from

2364
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,560
guy uh

2365
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:08,000
it was at least one man in a suit

2366
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:10,159
another one in a military uniform

2367
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:12,320
and they threatened him in no uncertain

2368
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:13,679
terms and on

2369
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:17,840
multiple multiple things reasons why he

2370
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:18,960
cannot talk about it

2371
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:21,679
didn't talk about it for 50 years yeah

2372
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:30,470
i think that's changing now i really do

2373
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,520
i haven't

2374
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,440
i mean the last story i heard about

2375
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:35,600
these guys menacing witnesses was in the

2376
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,960
90s

2377
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:38,320
and i'm just i'm sorry i'm just trying

2378
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:39,920
to think if i've heard any more recent

2379
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:40,480
cases

2380
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:42,320
well the 2006 o'hare but i think that

2381
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,760
was more of a question of

2382
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:45,440
the united airlines not wanted to be

2383
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:47,520
associated with pilots who see ufos

2384
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:50,239
or app that see ufos i think that was

2385
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:50,960
less

2386
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:55,199
of a government shutdown or cover-up

2387
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:58,080
less so um but i think things are

2388
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:59,199
changing i mean look

2389
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:00,639
look what's happening right now look at

2390
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,320
the fact that people like um

2391
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:04,639
former senate majority leader harry reid

2392
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:07,280
uh coming forward and publicly

2393
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:08,320
you know not only making those

2394
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:10,000
incredible statements but endorsing the

2395
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:11,120
film that deals with

2396
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,719
you know close encounters the third kind

2397
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:14,560
and all these other unambiguous ufo

2398
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:15,360
encounters

2399
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:17,040
um it's very encouraging site

2400
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:18,320
christopher mellon all the work he's

2401
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:20,239
doing lou elizondo like

2402
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:21,679
you know whether you like two stars

2403
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:22,960
academy or not that's quite an

2404
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:24,320
influential group of people getting

2405
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:24,960
together

2406
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,760
and and making stuff happen and so um i

2407
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,000
think i'm incredibly excited for the

2408
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:32,239
future of this i i really think that

2409
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:34,000
we might just be reaching a tipping

2410
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,880
point i honestly believe that

2411
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:39,120
i do too and we'll get to that in a

2412
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,880
minute what the government is currently

2413
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:43,120
doing in terms of the ufo issue

2414
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:45,280
but let's get to this one here derek on

2415
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,639
twitter asks

2416
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:48,639
do you believe that full disclosure

2417
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:49,840
would fundamentally

2418
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:52,960
change humankind this you know big grand

2419
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:54,080
capital d

2420
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:55,840
disclosure i mean i know you're not a

2421
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:57,920
big fan of it i'm not either of it

2422
01:22:01,590 --> 01:22:00,239
ever happening but yeah if it did james

2423
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:01,600
uh what would change

2424
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:04,639
everything or nothing i am

2425
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:07,440
firmly convinced that if the floodgates

2426
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:08,400
opened

2427
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:11,520
and it was revealed what uh what is

2428
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:12,639
known

2429
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:15,120
i think two things i think one it's

2430
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,199
going to open up the floodgates of

2431
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:19,600
of inquiries of which a lot of things

2432
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:20,560
they they

2433
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:23,040
don't have the answers to i really don't

2434
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:24,400
believe they know who they are where

2435
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:25,679
they come from what they want

2436
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:28,000
i really believe in my heart of hearts

2437
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:29,280
yeah of course they know they're real

2438
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:31,440
and i'm sure they've recovered the stuff

2439
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:32,880
and i'm sure that roswell happened the

2440
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:34,800
way they said it happened um

2441
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:36,400
but that doesn't change the fact that

2442
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,840
you know just because you have a piece

2443
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,800
of the debris

2444
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:40,719
that you have the answers you know who

2445
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:42,000
they are where they come from what they

2446
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:43,920
want i think anybody who says they do

2447
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:46,080
is is full of doggy duty i i really do

2448
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,080
believe that uh and and look

2449
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:49,920
my position can be challenged and that's

2450
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:52,560
fine i'm just speaking from my personal

2451
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:54,800
uh perspective and and from people that

2452
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,840
i've talked to and i've

2453
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:57,199
talked to pretty high level people

2454
01:23:02,550 --> 01:22:59,360
around the world and i'd love to say

2455
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:02,560
that they do know what's going on but

2456
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,199
the other prong to that whole potential

2457
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:07,679
revelation is

2458
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,679
i think it could be just exactly what

2459
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:11,600
the world needs right now

2460
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:14,400
i think that it would force us to see

2461
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,440
ourselves

2462
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:17,840
for who we really are and that's one

2463
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:19,679
race in one planet and i firmly believe

2464
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,239
that it

2465
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:22,480
sounds like a kumbaya moment here but

2466
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:23,679
but i

2467
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:26,320
how could you not how could it not have

2468
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:28,320
a unifying effect on all of humanity

2469
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:30,560
so i'm very optimistic about it and i

2470
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:32,000
think even if it's a little scary we

2471
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:32,960
don't have a lot of

2472
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:35,679
all the answers that's okay yeah i don't

2473
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:37,040
think we're ever gonna get those answers

2474
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:38,400
honestly that's my

2475
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:40,159
my personal opinion and i think you're

2476
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:41,679
right i think

2477
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:44,639
the world is not doing too good right

2478
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,040
now

2479
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:47,280
a lot going on um and i'm not just

2480
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:48,480
talking here in

2481
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:50,320
you know these very western eyes that us

2482
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:52,000
americans usually look through

2483
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:53,920
yeah we've got political turmoil we've

2484
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:55,040
had it in the past

2485
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:58,400
we'll have it again um but a worldwide

2486
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:00,159
pandemic i mean this is

2487
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:03,600
killing the world um the world itself

2488
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:06,320
is dying every day from the things we've

2489
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:08,000
done to our own planet so

2490
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:09,600
hey if there's gonna be some sort of

2491
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,600
intervention from another intelligence

2492
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,360
i think we're inching closer to them

2493
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:15,840
finally being like let's cut the

2494
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:17,600
let's help them out and then let's see

2495
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:18,719
what happens

2496
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,760
you know what's really funny i've

2497
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:21,360
thought about this in the past and again

2498
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,320
this is just

2499
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:24,560
total speculation i need to emphasize

2500
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:26,960
that to the 10th degree

2501
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:30,880
but i've had a thought for some time now

2502
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:34,400
that maybe just maybe

2503
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:38,000
the level of awareness

2504
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:41,760
reaches a certain point globally

2505
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,520
of their existence their influence

2506
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:47,520
that consciousness really gets to a

2507
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:48,880
certain level

2508
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:50,960
that might be a tipping point as well

2509
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:53,120
for them revealing

2510
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:56,639
themselves more openly again total

2511
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,679
speculation

2512
01:25:01,750 --> 01:24:59,280
but i've had that thought on a number of

2513
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,760
occasions that you know maybe

2514
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,280
maybe they felt we weren't ready i don't

2515
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:05,040
know

2516
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:08,000
just say that's a good point i i truly

2517
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:08,480
think

2518
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:11,760
we are on the phenomenon's timetable

2519
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:14,400
i really do i think whatever it is

2520
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:15,120
whatever

2521
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:18,239
variables are involved with it um that

2522
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:19,679
disclosure is not going to come from the

2523
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:21,199
government it's going to come from each

2524
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:22,320
individual

2525
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:24,800
seeing a ufo having a close encounter

2526
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:26,400
having a brush with the paranormal

2527
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:27,120
whatever

2528
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:30,800
and i think you're right once enough

2529
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:31,440
people

2530
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,960
finally acknowledge this and i think

2531
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,800
we're getting closer to the work you're

2532
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:36,560
doing the work tom delong is doing

2533
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:38,080
and all these other people getting

2534
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:40,000
involved with this topic uh

2535
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,760
hopefully we'll get to that point where

2536
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,600
they'll finally make themselves known

2537
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:45,679
but um kind of wrapping up the listener

2538
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:47,120
questions here james this is probably

2539
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:48,400
the most

2540
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:51,120
important listener question we have and

2541
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,480
i don't know if you're gonna be willing

2542
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:54,239
to answer it but i'm going to try

2543
01:26:00,150 --> 01:25:57,840
uh dean eliot asks what was your craft

2544
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:00,160
service budget for the film

2545
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:05,120
[Laughter]

2546
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:08,719
i had to man i had to oh

2547
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:10,000
i think it was like a buck 50 or

2548
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:13,040
something some mcdonald's right

2549
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:15,840
yeah value menu value menu well you know

2550
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:17,520
what's really funny

2551
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:21,040
is uh i've said this before but we

2552
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:24,480
literally ended this movie at the end of

2553
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,520
a dirt road

2554
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:27,840
in a in a little shack that had an

2555
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:29,199
extension cord running from the main

2556
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:30,880
house a couple hundred yards away or a

2557
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:32,239
couple hundred feet away

2558
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:35,440
uh you know no internet no

2559
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:37,040
uh very little cell phone reception

2560
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,480
because jacques used to come out for

2561
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,280
these marathon edit sessions and eat

2562
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:43,760
completely cut off from the world and in

2563
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:45,280
this little shack with no running water

2564
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:46,000
no toilet

2565
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:48,080
and it was you know kind of a little a

2566
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:49,440
little rough and i would tell people

2567
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:50,639
like hey

2568
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:52,880
but it was supposed to be a temporary

2569
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:54,400
situation because i could find something

2570
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:55,600
else i mean i live in a small community

2571
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:56,560
i know everybody

2572
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:57,440
i was thinking i could find an

2573
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:58,960
affordable place to edit my movie and i

2574
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,760
couldn't

2575
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:01,280
and i have a room at my house to do it

2576
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:03,040
the very room i'm sitting in now but

2577
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,400
i have a son that would come in i got

2578
01:27:09,669 --> 01:27:06,239
people coming in all hours and you know

2579
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:09,679
really disturbing and uh

2580
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:12,400
and and we got so much work done in this

2581
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:14,239
beautiful little space in this garden in

2582
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:16,239
this little cabin

2583
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:18,880
that we just made allowances for you

2584
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:19,440
know

2585
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:23,440
bathroom we didn't have running water we

2586
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:24,080
didn't have

2587
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:26,320
but we but magic happened in that

2588
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:27,360
isolated

2589
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:30,880
spot and um i sounded like a broken

2590
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:31,520
record here but

2591
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:34,159
shock joke around he goes okay i'm i'm

2592
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:34,960
coming out

2593
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:37,440
from san francisco i got my compass i

2594
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:38,800
got my face paint

2595
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:41,360
i got my i got my i got my i got my

2596
01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:42,400
knife you know

2597
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:44,840
i was like i got my peppers my bear

2598
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,709
he's got a sense of humor everyone sees

2599
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:52,800
this guy is so serious all the time but

2600
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:53,360
yeah he said

2601
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,960
you're a jock he's got the best sense of

2602
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:56,639
humor of anyone i

2603
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,719
i'm so intimidated by just being in his

2604
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:00,400
presence i have to be honest with you

2605
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:02,320
i really feel like you know an idiot i

2606
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:03,679
hate to say it but i just feel

2607
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:06,080
so inadequate next to this guy jacques

2608
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:07,360
is just like

2609
01:28:10,709 --> 01:28:09,760
oh my gosh i'm not worthy i'm not worthy

2610
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:10,719
i'm not

2611
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:14,639
you know and yet he didn't make me feel

2612
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:16,880
stupid he didn't make me feel he made me

2613
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:18,960
feel like an equal which i'm not but

2614
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:20,719
he made me feel that way you know and he

2615
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:22,960
was really humble and

2616
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,679
such an amazing man i just i have so

2617
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:27,520
much admiration for him

2618
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:30,400
so much respect for him and and and i

2619
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:31,679
owe lee spiegel

2620
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:33,760
that was lee spiegel that was all lee

2621
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:36,080
spiegel that made that introduction

2622
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:38,560
and i owe the film this wouldn't be what

2623
01:28:41,669 --> 01:28:39,840
it is today without

2624
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,679
without everybody involved but without

2625
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:43,520
lee spiegel having brought

2626
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:45,199
uh jacques to the table that was that

2627
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:46,800
was a game changer

2628
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:49,520
that's awesome lee is a hell of a guy he

2629
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:51,120
lives in new york here

2630
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:53,600
uh near me and we've met up a few times

2631
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:54,480
and you know

2632
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:56,080
him telling me everything that was going

2633
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:57,520
on with your film and you

2634
01:29:01,590 --> 01:28:59,520
i remember you were sending me like

2635
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:01,600
little videos every now and again of you

2636
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:03,920
in you know the garden area and there's

2637
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:05,520
like jacques in the background i'm just

2638
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:06,159
like

2639
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:10,239
surreal thing ever

2640
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:11,760
so i want to ask you know kind of

2641
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:13,360
closing things up james

2642
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:16,000
what was the most like memorable

2643
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:17,679
experience throughout this

2644
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:20,880
huge journey for this film um was there

2645
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:22,560
one moment you can really pinpoint where

2646
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:23,280
you're like

2647
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:25,600
oh my god like i did it i knocked this

2648
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:26,560
out of the park

2649
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:29,120
or i'm going to make a difference in

2650
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:30,480
this entire

2651
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:33,120
discourse about ufos anything you can

2652
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:35,679
you can sort of muster up there

2653
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:38,320
well there were a couple of wow moments

2654
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,120
um

2655
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:41,520
and i i've described this before because

2656
01:29:46,550 --> 01:29:42,560
i i was

2657
01:29:50,830 --> 01:29:46,560
always at a loss of trying to

2658
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:50,840
uh trying to uh

2659
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:54,960
convey what it was like the pressure of

2660
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:55,440
of

2661
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:58,639
producing this film and the best way i i

2662
01:30:03,430 --> 01:29:59,199
find

2663
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:03,440
is that um i felt like i was in the ring

2664
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:07,280
with a monster and that i was literally

2665
01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:09,679
just trying to survive the next round

2666
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:11,679
and uh that's the best way it's

2667
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,800
exhausting because you can't like

2668
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:16,480
like i think honestly i look at myself

2669
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:18,000
in the mirror now and i just i look like

2670
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:19,679
a beat up wreck i mean i

2671
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:22,080
this film piece of me died making this

2672
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:22,880
movie and i'm not

2673
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:24,239
saying it's not melodramatic but i

2674
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:27,600
really mean it um

2675
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:30,400
a couple of wow moments for me was when

2676
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:32,239
i was in the lab and stand

2677
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:34,639
at silicon valley with jacques and gary

2678
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:37,440
nolan i knew like holy this is big

2679
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:39,440
wow i can't believe this is happening

2680
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:41,120
the moment when i was in the room thanks

2681
01:30:44,229 --> 01:30:42,480
to george knapp

2682
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:44,239
with senator harry reid i mean geez i've

2683
01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:45,760
seen that guy in my living room for

2684
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:48,320
a long time for about senator reid my

2685
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:49,679
god i can't believe i'm sitting down

2686
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:50,639
with this guy

2687
01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:52,320
uh you know there's a couple of those

2688
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:54,560
moments where and then

2689
01:30:58,950 --> 01:30:57,600
that increases the pressure

2690
01:31:01,430 --> 01:30:58,960
because you know you've got more

2691
01:31:04,870 --> 01:31:01,440
eyeballs watching more expectations

2692
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:04,880
to deliver a good product and i'd say it

2693
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:06,159
was the final

2694
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:08,800
year push where you can't just settle

2695
01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:09,440
for

2696
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:12,800
oh this is pretty good no you take a

2697
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:14,960
section of the movie

2698
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:17,679
and if it doesn't move you profoundly

2699
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:19,040
you rip it all apart and put it back

2700
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:19,840
together again

2701
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:21,440
and i can't tell you we did that with

2702
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:23,840
every scene and then on top of that

2703
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:25,120
when we were really happy i remember

2704
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:26,960
some people at 1091 were like oh my god

2705
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:28,560
this film's amazing

2706
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:31,440
and we're like no it's not no it's not

2707
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:32,960
we need this film needs another six

2708
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:34,239
months

2709
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:36,080
and we'd rip it all sections apart cut

2710
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,520
30 minutes out you know

2711
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:39,360
restructuring up to the last minute look

2712
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:41,760
we were editing just a couple months ago

2713
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:44,080
we were putting in new changes you know

2714
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:46,560
yeah yeah i remember watching a screener

2715
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:48,000
like six months ago

2716
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:49,840
and then watching it again a couple days

2717
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:51,920
ago and i'm like oh there are worse and

2718
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:54,880
significant changes

2719
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:56,719
you really went to that last moment

2720
01:32:01,430 --> 01:31:59,280
before distribution to uh

2721
01:32:02,470 --> 01:32:01,440
and everything okay yeah we really did

2722
01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:02,480
we really did

2723
01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:04,400
and honestly it's the first is it

2724
01:32:09,669 --> 01:32:06,320
perfect no it's not perfect

2725
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:09,679
um am i satisfied very

2726
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:12,400
i you know i always have a quiet moment

2727
01:32:15,189 --> 01:32:13,679
with myself

2728
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:15,199
usually at some point when i'm ready and

2729
01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:17,360
i'm not ready yet but i will

2730
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:19,920
and that is i will take out some wine or

2731
01:32:23,990 --> 01:32:20,880
a whiskey

2732
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:24,000
by myself and put the headphones on or

2733
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:25,600
whatever crank up the speakers in the

2734
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:26,080
stereo

2735
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:28,000
and and i'll watch it all by myself i

2736
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:29,360
did it without the blue i did it with i

2737
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:30,719
know what i saw i did with 50 years of

2738
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:31,440
denial

2739
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:33,040
i always do it when the time is right

2740
01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:35,840
i'll do it and i sit down by myself

2741
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:37,760
and usually a little tear will come down

2742
01:32:41,910 --> 01:32:39,679
my cheek and be like okay

2743
01:32:43,430 --> 01:32:41,920
buddy i can pat myself in the back you

2744
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:43,440
know did it

2745
01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:46,560
yeah and it looks like yeah and and

2746
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:48,800
i gotta i gotta say that and this is

2747
01:32:55,110 --> 01:32:51,280
really important that i get this across

2748
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:55,120
is that this is this is honestly

2749
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:58,800
the result of so many dedicated people

2750
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:00,480
in the in the field it's well we

2751
01:33:04,950 --> 01:33:02,159
dedicated the film to

2752
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:04,960
to stanton friedman but like the work of

2753
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:05,679
jacques villa

2754
01:33:12,229 --> 01:33:08,880
and don schmidt and kevin randall

2755
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:12,239
and like i could just go on david marlar

2756
01:33:17,350 --> 01:33:14,400
i mean it just as the list doesn't end

2757
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:17,360
and uh the researchers in australia and

2758
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:18,719
you know randall nickerson

2759
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:22,560
in the case in africa people marco real

2760
01:33:27,030 --> 01:33:24,719
in south america i mean it just goes on

2761
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:27,040
and on people in china

2762
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:30,320
um people in russia that i i met with i

2763
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:31,920
mean it just

2764
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:34,800
this is the culmination of all of these

2765
01:33:38,470 --> 01:33:36,960
the work and dedication of so many

2766
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:38,480
researchers in this field

2767
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:40,719
and i and i would like to tip my hat to

2768
01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:42,000
each and every one of them people like

2769
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:43,120
yourself

2770
01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:45,840
um you know open minds i mean it just

2771
01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:47,120
goes on and on and on

2772
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:50,080
and uh and this is the culmination of of

2773
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:51,360
a lot of people's hard work and

2774
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:52,320
dedication and

2775
01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:54,960
and i and i the success of this film is

2776
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:56,000
really the success

2777
01:34:00,870 --> 01:33:59,120
of for all of us i couldn't put it

2778
01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:00,880
better myself we all win

2779
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:02,639
when it comes to this film being out we

2780
01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:04,080
really do and i mean

2781
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:06,400
besides being a fan of your work james

2782
01:34:10,390 --> 01:34:07,280
in general i

2783
01:34:13,270 --> 01:34:10,400
i have to say like so many eyes are now

2784
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:13,280
on this film and so many people within

2785
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:15,760
the government are watching this film

2786
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:18,560
and it gives us hope it gives us hope

2787
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:18,960
that

2788
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:20,400
we have the senate intelligence

2789
01:34:26,149 --> 01:34:22,880
committee drafting bills about uh

2790
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:26,159
ufos we have uh you know a ufo task

2791
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:27,600
force being created

2792
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:29,440
in the pentagon all because of the

2793
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:31,360
diligent work being done by

2794
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:33,760
independent ufo researchers and

2795
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:35,120
organizations

2796
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:37,600
and you're a big part of that so uh my

2797
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:38,880
last question for you

2798
01:34:42,550 --> 01:34:41,520
do you have any hope of the future of

2799
01:34:45,510 --> 01:34:42,560
ufo

2800
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:45,520
studies uh maybe from a governmental

2801
01:34:48,550 --> 01:34:47,360
angle but if not yeah

2802
01:34:51,510 --> 01:34:48,560
do you think we're ever going to find

2803
01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:51,520
out what's going on um

2804
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:55,280
i know unequivocally

2805
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:57,280
that there's something very big that's

2806
01:35:02,070 --> 01:35:00,639
imminent and i know that for a fact um

2807
01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:02,080
i think it's going to come in the form

2808
01:35:06,149 --> 01:35:04,960
of of of either a statement or something

2809
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:06,159
of that nature

2810
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:08,880
and sit tight for that and i i'm very

2811
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:10,239
confident that's about as all

2812
01:35:13,990 --> 01:35:12,400
as i'm going to reveal but that's it's

2813
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:14,000
imminent and i just i can't say if it's

2814
01:35:19,109 --> 01:35:15,520
one week two weeks three weeks

2815
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:19,119
but it is i've been told it's imminent

2816
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:20,880
we will leave it at that man i can't ask

2817
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:23,280
for a better uh way to wrap this up with

2818
01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:23,920
hope

2819
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:27,760
so last question of course

2820
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:29,920
where can we find the phenomenon in

2821
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:31,600
everything you're up to james

2822
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:33,040
oh thank you so you can go to the

2823
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:35,040
website which is oh by the way your

2824
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:35,760
audience

2825
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:38,239
something that's really really really

2826
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,040
helpful

2827
01:35:42,149 --> 01:35:41,280
if you guys can rate us on rotten

2828
01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:42,159
tomatoes

2829
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:44,239
and itunes it's incredibly helpful it

2830
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:45,840
really does take that extra time and

2831
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,760
just give us a quick little rating

2832
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:49,199
maybe a little blurb you don't even have

2833
01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:50,480
to do that you can just do it hit the

2834
01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:51,600
stars whatever you

2835
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:54,560
feel the film is worthy of and that's

2836
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:56,080
incredibly helpful and our website

2837
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:57,600
which has all the links and again i'll

2838
01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:00,239
remind your audience that if you want

2839
01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:02,400
to buy the film i think it's like 12.99

2840
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:03,520
or something like that

2841
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:06,960
get it from itunes or vimeo

2842
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:10,719
because you get three hours three

2843
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:13,679
hours of bonus material which is really

2844
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:15,360
cool stuff that didn't make a movie

2845
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:17,360
an interview with story musgrave who

2846
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:18,960
piloted the space shuttle

2847
01:36:27,310 --> 01:36:21,840
incredible epiphanies that he had really

2848
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:31,390
www.thephenomenonfilm.com

2849
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:34,400
and that has all the different links

2850
01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:36,400
where the film's available

2851
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:38,400
perfect i know what i'm doing tonight

2852
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:39,679
three more hours

2853
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:41,679
of james fox coming my way with some

2854
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:43,760
bourbon for sure and like you said

2855
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:45,840
edgar mitchell and story musgrave like

2856
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:47,520
we didn't even touch on the astronaut

2857
01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:48,880
aspect so go

2858
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:50,800
get that on vimeo watch the extra

2859
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,119
footage and all i could say men is

2860
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:55,360
um while the world seems like it might

2861
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:57,199
be kind of falling apart it's stuff like

2862
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:57,840
this

2863
01:37:01,910 --> 01:37:00,320
we're living in the most exciting year

2864
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:01,920
of ufos we've ever had

2865
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:04,239
so if there's any light at the end of

2866
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:05,600
the tunnel i think it's the lights

2867
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:06,560
coming from

2868
01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:08,880
those things above and i can't wait to

2869
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:10,719
see what you do next what what happens

2870
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:11,600
with this topic

2871
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:13,040
and i have to thank you for coming on

2872
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:14,800
somewhere in the skies

2873
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:16,159
thank you so much for having me on i

2874
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:17,840
really appreciate the you know

2875
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:19,840
all that you do as well so thank you and

2876
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:21,199
thank to your audience for

2877
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:22,960
for listening to me jabber on for like

2878
01:37:36,080 --> 01:38:00,830
[Music]

2879
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:05,150
so